Troy Donna y Robin

With DC'S Future State coming, I remembered the story I wrote about a potential DC future. This takes heavy inspiration from Injustice, Batman beyond and The Dark Knight Returns. (Issue 11 is a flashback)

2020.10.30 18:18 Funnylittlecreature9 With DC'S Future State coming, I remembered the story I wrote about a potential DC future. This takes heavy inspiration from Injustice, Batman beyond and The Dark Knight Returns. (Issue 11 is a flashback)

Chapter 1 : Rise of the Robin Damian wayne fights crime as a vigilante that looks like Redhood. A thief screams "It's Batman!". Batman uses tech to explode their vehicles from a distance and bludgeons them. He jumps from rooftop to rooftop under the violet rising sun of Neo-Gotham. He goes into the bat-cave and opens a containment cell. The Joker's head, strapped to a wall makes fun of the Batman. Batman questions him about the "sand" shipment he just blew up. The Joker messes with him and notices how Damian is weaker mentally than Bruce. He tells a story about one of their earliest toils and how Batman's life came to an end. He was stabbed through the heart by Bane. Batman looks out the balcony at the burning city and gets called by "FLASH_2". Earlier that day, Kid Flash slows down in Keystone city and meets a voice calling himself the spectre. "A crisis is coming, Wally west, you are the first step in stopping it". He asks "What's the second?" A report on Superman airs. His life fighting Lex luthor and Zod. Batman explains in the Old star labs laboratory in Central city that the Luthor documents ended a lot for the heroes. Lex Luthor was arrested and so was 60% of heroes and villians. Only the strongest survived the new status quo. The Flash and The Spectre beg with Batman to join them stop an incoming invasion from Infinity island but he doesn't join. He goes back to Gotham and stops another sand shipment, but this time, it swerves into a Batman monument and it reminds him of what it means to be Batman. Batman never was alone, he had Dick, Barbara, Jason, Tim, him... he would crumble too if he rejects everyone around him. The Flash and The spectre try to hack Argus, when Batman drops a thumbdrive on the table. "Let's save Victor stone and stop whatever crisis you say is knocking at the door".
Chapter 2 : Mistakes of our ancestors Victor stone, Cyborg, is attached to a wall, computing something... The motherbox glitches and phases through itself. A mysterious woman watches. Wally trains and The Spectre tells him about the League's last mission in Markovia. Wally says they have Batman, but they need an expert thief to help them free Cyborg. Damian asks why they need him and Wally says he has a motherbox, the last one in the universe. It will bring them to Metron's chair and tell them what's coming. However the location of their master thief, Captain cold is unknown. Batman asks to check his childhood home on the outskirts of Central city. They sneak past the Argus defence walls and look around the old house. In the basement, Captain cold works on his weaponry. He surprises Wally with a freeze cannon and gets arrested by Batman. Captain cold counts down and a mind controlled Zatarra and Zatanna appears. He says he'll help them if they can get him off of house arrest. The Spectre replaces Captain cold and they escape. Captain cold notices Damian doesnt trust him. He gives a speech about is deceased sister and how she was killed in the Luthor accords. They have everything they need to break in to the Arguslabs.
Chapter 3 : Hearts of darkness ice and steel Barbara Gordan watches the news of the escape of Captain cold. She sees the technological Batman, yellow blur and Captain cold. She has a tear of joy. The flash causes a distraction in the middle of Metropolis by pretending he went evil. Superman comes out and starts beating on him. Batman and Captain cold sneak around unnoticed through the Argus complex. They get to the basement and start hacking to free Cyborg. The Flash trips and Superman knows he's being distracted and flies off. Cyborg wakes up and hasn't aged a day since the last league mission. Superman appears and threatens Batman. The flash runs over and apologizes. Batman and Superman fight in the shallow area of the Metropolis-Gotham bay. He steps up and fights Superman head on. Superman yells "I didnt kill your father!". Batman keeps beating on him. Superman explains through spitting blood, "The media made it look like he killed Batman. Lex Luthor released the Luthor documents and made it look like Dr. Ivo was a whistle blower. The legion of doom killed him, just as Lex intended so he could never refute the claims. Lex was outed as a super criminal and no lawyer could deny. People also learned the horrific things heroes had to do, and that they weren't pure maelstroms of hope. Society turned on the Justice league and Batman was killed by Bane. I had nothing to do with it". They shake hands and Wally finally asks if they're ready to save the multiverse. They take Cyborg's corrupted Mother box and teleport to space. Superman watches them, content that Batman can believe in a Superman again.
Chapter 4 : Return of Apokolips Steppenwulf slashes at O'Ryan's throat. Darkseid shows up and John Stewart uses his pink lantern ring to teleport his conciousness across the galaxy. O'ryan explodes in energy and all that's left of the cosmic entities is Steppenwulf's staff. Wally, Damian, Clark and Victor appear in a city in Apokolips. The team explores the ruins of the city. A zombie Steppenwulf rises and Superman fights it. Wally punches him into the mountain and the Mobius chair dissapears. The team runs around the planet and try to stop the mobius chair, but Steppenwulf is following the hero's. Cyborg traps it and Superman and The Flash hold it in place. Batman uses it and sees the crisis. Steppenwulf destroys the Mobius chair and Damian is thrown off. Superman buries Steppenwulf and Damian says their first step to stopping the crisis in action is to get the green lantern corps. Back together.
Chapter 5 : Return of the Green The Justice league travels in a New Genisis ship. Batman trains with Steppenwulf's spear. Superman explains it looks like the old Watchtower. He has a conversation with Wally. Cyborg talks about Nightwing to Damian. Cyborg has been frozen in time for 15 years, so it's like he was talking to Dick yesterday. Cyborg holds a meeting and explains the four lanterns of Earth are missing. John's ring washed up on Gotham shores, Kyle retired and became a rich artist, Hal dissapeared in deep space and Guy lives in a grungy Coast city apartment. Victor goes to get Guy, Damian goes to hunt down John, Wally goes to get Kyle. Clark goes to find Hal. Victor has an inspirational speech with Guy, and they go on a highway joyride. Damian breaks into Argus and is sucked into John's ring. Wally and Kyle argue in a huge Metropolis museum. Clark finds Mogo and talks to Hal in his hermit mansion. Victor has to hot wire Guy's car and Guy breaks into Starlabs drunkenly. Damian explores a cowboy city in a desert. John rides up on his horse and exclaims "Bruce!". The justice riders fight Damian and John agrees to help him of they hunt down gangs. Kyle explains he wants nothing to do with the corps. Wally tries to reinvigorate hope but he leaves. Superman and Hal fight off yellow Sinestro sentinels.
Chapter 6 : Return of the Green pt. 2 Victor and Guy evade the police and Guy accidently releases Mirror master. Guy discovers why he joined the lanterns and summons his ring. Victor and Guy teleport up to the new watchtower and see Damian's distress call. Kyle and Wally love the high life. They sip expensive drinks and ogle expensive girls. Wally remembers the reason he's here and he gets distracted by a hot tub. Hours earlier, Cowboy Batman and the Justice Riders fight off gang leaders and hand them into the police. They all instantly escape and Damian realises John built himself a paradise. He explains it's been 15 years and he reluctantly kidnaps John. The justice riders get together to save their friend from "the Batman impersonator". Wally tries to convince Kyle but he leaves. Wally breaks into his basement and sees art depicting the most beautiful places on Oa. Wally gives him a speech and Kyle puts on his ring. Guy and Victor fight Mirror master. He goes for Blackgate. They stop him from getting to the control panel and Amanda Waller sees the return of Green lantern. Clark sends sentinels to space. Hal falls and says if he tries again he'll have a heart attack. Clark explains the world-and universe needs him again. Hal looks at the rubble of the sentinels and shoots at space. He reveals his Green lantern ring and they get Batman's distress call.
Chapter 7 : Justice league vs. Justice riders Batman fights off Justice riders members in a cave and calls for the rest of the Justice league. Guy makes Mirror master teleport them into John's ring and they fight. John sees Guy, Hal and Kyle and his world starts to fade. They make it through the mirror but Guy sacrifices himself for the others to make it.
Chapter 8 : Crisis at the source wall The league, made up of Batman, Superman, The Flash, Cyborg and the lantern squad talks In the meeting hall in the new watchtower. Cyborg explains they need the Lanterns to spread as many lantern rings as possible. Superman, Batman and him will go to the source wall. Wally asks what he should do and Cyborg explains he needs to power the ship. Batman, Superman and Cyborg investigate the fading statues at the source wall. Cyborg says the crisis will come from the source wall. They find an old ship breaking down and Cyborg realises what it is. They are chased by the brood. Wally runs on a treadmill and realises he's getting slower. An A.I appears and says he could help him. His name is Hank henshaw and he can manually stress his electrons to move faster. They get into arguments and Hank brings up he wasnt fast enough to save Iris or Barry. Kyle accidently wakes up a living planet and it tries killing him. Wally sees his friends in danger and accepts Hank into him. He saves the entire team and escapes. He realises his new speed and saves as many people from the newly awakened brood as he can on Earth.
Chapter 9 : Start of the crisis The sky lights up in blue flame as Wally West reveals his new power to the public. The military defends the earth from the brood but are losing. Wally shreds them all and Hank congratulates him. More and more brood come to fight Wally. Hank explains even with his help he couldn't possibly be fast enough. Wally channels the power of the source wall and stops the brood. Batman, Superman and Cyborg hear about it and see the source wall being torn open by the speed force. Batman realises they were played by Metron to start the crisis. Back on Apokolips, Metron appears back from his chair along side John stewart, with Hal Jordan's ring. The green lantern army is called to fight on Apokolips as parademons are raised from the dead. Many are slaughtered. Batman fights off parademons on the source wall and Superman speeds off to Apokolips. He challenges Metron head on and they fight in space. Metron explains he will follow the will of Darkseid. He failed but Metron shall continue the empire of Apokolips. Wally watches the armies of Parademons shredding the left over Brood. He panics and is saved by Green arrow.
Chapter 10 : Justice men John stewart lands on Earth after defeating Darkseid. He washes up on a shore and Metron appears. He says he has a plan for his mind in his ring. Placing an a.i in his body. After he was saved his mind was fighting the a.i like a virus. The virus won. John's body blasts around the galaxy and goes to the dark side of a moon, finding Brainiac's ship with an Omega symbol burnt in it. He reactivates the Brainiac bodies and releases them onto the worlds. Brainiac lands in Gorilla city, and Sullivar the 2nd fights it. One lands in Thanagar's ruins and Hawkman slaps it against the room with his mace. John Stewart appears behind him and says Metron knew he'd still be alive. John and Catar fight. Batman, Superman and Cyborg run around the Watchtower and watch the destruction.
Chapter 11 : Preludes of the crisis The card gang robs a bullet train traveling through the heart of Gotham. Batman jumps on it to stop them. They fight on the train and The Flash comes by. Wally is curious about Damian's interest in Speed force batteries and Damian has no idea what he's talking about. Wally explains the organization running the train are in collusion with a Markovian meta-trafficking league. They've been using highly explosive speed-force batteries to power their machines. A huge electric explosion goes off and Wally saves dozens of people. The card gang gets away with millions of dollars in equipment and the duo tracks down their hide-out in Blackgate's bunker. The duo fight their way through the bunker and uncover what they were using the speed-force battery for. They almost get sucked into a huge portal connecting to the speedforce. The grand-father of the gang explains he has a physic ability and saw a great Apocolypse coming. Damian writes it off as another crazy person but Wally saw something in the speed-force. An anomoly of extreme speed. He has no idea what it is but spends months studying it. A year later, Wally appears to Damian again with the Spectre to stop the crisis.
Chapter 12 : The league rises Superman stops as many Parademons as he can but John appears in a boom-tube and snaps his arm. John fully transforms into a soldier and attacks citizens. The Flash appears along side Green arrow, Wonder woman and Steele. They do clean up as best they can but John summons more and more parademons. The group falls back to the watchtower. Steele has been surviving off of medical tech in his suit for 10 years. Wonder woman is Donna troy, after Wonder woman was brutally killed by Vandal savage. Green arrow is Connor hawk, Speedy died and he was Oliver's second apprentice. They watch the world burn and Wally says that they're heroes, they cant just watch. Hawkman shows up and explains John's virus is similar to Thanagarian technology. If there is a virus there is always an opposite. Wally says it would take years to program another Mother box and Metron could guess if they wanted to steal one. Wonder woman brings up how Themiscarya has a pure elixir of life from before the universe was crafted. Cyborg brings it up on a map and says Metron's forces have already reached the borders. Wonder woman says it has a backdoor. She brings out a seed and says "Pray to Zues, and dont eat anything on the trip". The league stands in a line, looking at the pomegranate tree. Batman, Superman, Wonderwoman, The Flash, Cyborg, Hawkman, and Green arrow stand in a line and Superman leads them in.
Chapter 13 : Underworld hike The league travels through the underworld. Wonder girl explains in the center of Themiscarya is a portal to the Underworld. The league gets lost in the endless catacombs of the Underworld and separates from eachother. Hawkman gets a claw in his back and Lobo appears with the Apokoliptian furies. Superman fights them. Batman steals a hoverboard off a wall and helps him. They find out they both want to get to Themiscarya. The fury drones fall and Lobo explains he was gliding through space when a Brainiac drone stabbed him. He ripped some apart and went to Earth. He met Firestorm and helped stop some of the forces. It was getting in the way of business and he was on the way to hooking up with an alien girl. He wants to personally rip Metron's @#$% off and throw it into the cold recesses of space. Hades comes out from a pile of dead Parademons and androids and says it's great that their having a moment but the underworld hates come with a price. They argue for a bit before Bayman punches him in the nose. Damian exclaims that every world will end, including the underworld. Hades says if they dont make a sacrifice the gate will kill them. Wonderwoman steps up but Green arrow forces everyone else to go. They promise they'll come back for him. They get to Themiscarya and realise it's destroyed. Wonder woman says Hera will now where the elixir lies.
Chapter 14 : Resurgence in Paradise Superman, The Flash and Superman sneak past terminals and reach Hera's palace. She explains the soldiers came to the island and exterminated the Amazon. Wonder woman cries and Hera hugs her. Hera says the elixir lies under the place the God Killer rested. Only the worthy can enter though. The team runs through the forests and a chain stabs into a tree. Superman and Lobo fight off androids while Batman and Wonderwoman get to the palace. Superman tries to enter but it rejects him. He fights off the androids and only Cyborg and The Flash can enter. Cyborg gets a map of the temple and they go in deeper. The Flash looks into a pit and sees Barry calling out to him. Cyborg says it's an illusion. Cyborg explains the temple will try and trick them into dying. Ghostly Barry runs actor Wally and the watcher of the temple, Diana prince reveals herself and Wally and Victor catch her up on the last 15 years. She passes on a message to Donna and shows them the elixir. They escape and the temple collapses. Hank in Wally's head talks to a mysterious voice and says no one was actually worthy, they just had to believe they were. He altered Wally's mind and made him believe in himself. All part of his final plan. The league need to get the attention of John and put in a backdoor.
Chapter 15 : God of the green The league goes back to challenge John Stewart. They go to Ryut and call out to him. John appears and says Metron told them they'd be here. Wonderwoman uses the elixir of life but John smashes it and puts up a shield. He says "You know I have Metron on my side, the SMARTEST being in the universe?!". Batman is thrown into a mountain and Wally is punched into the ground. Superman and Lobo work together to fight him in space, but he throws them to the ground. Cyborg tries to use his pulse ray but it doesnt effect John. He blasts Cybprg with a paser and hacks his systems. Wonderwoman sword fights with him on a bridge but she's knocked off. He jumps down to kill her but Lobo throws him against the wall with a chain "IF I CAN'T RIP METRON'S @#$% OFF YOUR'LL HAVE TO FARE!". Lobo puts a hole in John's chest but it grows back and Lobo starts to have microbes crawl up his arm. Wonderwoman cuts his hand off but it grows into an android main man. Lobo fans Wonderwoman fly it into space but it scans the universe and says Lobo is a faker. John expects it to be subservient but it's subservient to no one but THE MAIN MAN! Lobo and Robo-Lobo fight in space and Robo-Lobo builds a hodge-podge space bike. Superman and Cyoprg watch the fight and John uses the distraction to try and get away. Batman stabs him in the back with a grapple gun. They question John and the real Lobo comes holding Robo-Lobo's head in a jar. John starts to glitch and they bring him back to the Watchtower. Wally listens to Hank in his head and he explains he is doing well.
Chapter 16 : Space man Starman works with other cosmic heroes on a satellite to fight off parasites. Starman is shot out of the window and flies straight into a worm-hole. He is thrown into Earth 25 years later. He looks around at the city. Ruins of the city surround him. He escapes some Brainiac droids. Superman watches John Stewart bang on a glass wall. The elixir was supposed to cure him and they only finished half the plan. Damian explains the programming is similar to the tech that got the shuttle to the moon in 1969. Superman knows who is good for a minuscule mission. Clark explains he's in Blackgate right now, but they know someone who can get them the map to plan their molecule heist.
Chapter 17 : The Molecule heist pt. 1 Wally says Snart went off the grid since they went to Metropolis. They walk into a field and sneak around Brainiac droids. Superman throws stones into a river in a certain order and a tower rises out of the ground. Damian, Wally and Clark walk around the tower of Fate. Starman watches them and uses the tower to get away from droids. The three leaguers get to a foyer. Kent Nelson explains the helmet of Fate has lost all power. Kent realises Gavin is in the building. This is enough evidence for Wally to explain the helmet must have given him natural power like Constantine. Gavin apologizes and they work together to fight off the androids. Kent walks them through the library and Gavin says the Atom had all that contract stuff with Blackgate. They all facepalm as he forgot he's 15 years in the future. Dr. Fate tries making them a portal and he has a heart problem. They get the map of Blackgate from "The book of prisons, past present and future", a timeless book currently being written from the end of time. They take a map and leave. Superman sees Kent's fragility and realises he's getting old too. Meanwhile, in the depths of Blackgate prison, The Atom recounts adventures with the league. Joining after getting involved in the Queen conspiracy.
Chapter 18 : The molecule heist pt. 2 The Flash runs through Blackgate late at night, followed by Hawkman and Wonder woman. They get the attention of King shark and cause a disruption in the main hall to distract him. While they're in the basement, they find relics of their old adventures. Hawkman takes his old Thanagarian mace and rises it to the moon. Wonder woman finds samurai-like armor from one of his adventures with The Flash. Wally finds The Atom and they escape. They all steal jetpacks and take off, but King shark releases the villians kept in Blackgate. The Atom is excited to meet his old friends again and Hawkman realises they need a distraction to escape. Wally steps up but Hawkman refuses and uses Shiara's mace to take out as many as he can before he's stabbed in the back by Vandal savage. The others escape and come back with the news of Hawkman's death. The Atom sadly goes into John's head. The league mourns their friend.
Chapter 19 : Forces of nature Metron walks into a huge underground chamber and awakens the queen of the green, Posion ivy. He burns down the underground jungle and takes a tomb. This awakens the titan, Swamp thing and he seeks out Metron, from the Shadows. The Atom goes into John's brain and Has a conversation with him. John explains he killed Hal and got Guy killed and deserves to be killed. Atom says it was the virus and not him. The virus comes out and turns out to be a technological version of Starro. The Atom fights off the virus and John kills himself so Ray isnt turned. The league sees John shut down and Ray explains he isn't coming back. Wally talks to Donna and they bond over the old Titans days. They kiss. Cyborg sees this and is glad some happiness can be found. Donna says they need to go back in time and stop all this and Wally says they'd need a cosmic treadmill. They go to the old star labs facility and Damian and Victor agree to stop them. Ray and Clark study the information gathered from John and his connection to Metron. They move out to stop the production of Brainiac droids with Lobo and the good, Robo-Lobo.
Chapter 20 : Metron factorium Wally and Donna power up the cosmic treadmill and Wally starts running. Damian stops him and talks him down from,this huge mistake. Donna tries a sneak attack on Damian but a force field from Victor stops her. Meanwhile, Superman, Ray, Lobo, and Robo-Lobo fight Metron droids. Metron appears and challenges them. They fight for awhile and Metron realises he's losing. He sends out hundreds of droids and Lobo jumps off the pillar they were on and yells "TONIGHT, WE FRAG IN HELL!". Donna is angry, as Victor thought she would try to kill Damian. Cyborg explains he knows people are ready to do anything if they think it's right. He was tortured for 15 years by someone like that. Donna uses her full training to apprehend Cyborg. She uses a chip, studying the brood network to turn him into a droid. Wally asks Hank what he should do, and he ends up saving Cyborg. Superman tips apart the droids and Ray enlarges their ships and weapons to crush them. Lobo and Robo-Lobo ride their bikes through them. Metron speeds up the factory and realises it's about to over-heat. He stops production, Lobo and Robo-Lobo take this opportunity to explode the factory and let everyone escape, dying in the process. Donna runs for velocity-9 and Damian goes after her. They fight on the roof-top and they realise it's to late. The cosmic treadmill rips a hole in reality and Damian chases Donna in. They fight in the time-stream and end up in Argo-city. Hank runs Wally into the portal and Cyborg watches it all. He realises Wally has Hank in his brain. Hank uses the rips in time to bring the past Lex Luthor into the future. Metron deactivates and everyone realises Hank worked with Lex. Hank organized everything and Lex takes his throne in Metron's place. Army of Kryptonians by his side. The league figure out they lost and Donna let's herself fall into space. The remaining leaguers reconcile in the watchtower and watch Luthor take over everything.
Chapter 21 : Blackest blight Wally leaves and says their attempts were in vain. Victor leaves and says hes gonna try and defend people from armageddon. The Atom is gonna drink himself to death before armageddon. Superman states off into space. Gavin tries to comfort Damian but Damian goes back to Gotham. The news plays a report on the League's fight with Metron, and their failure. Lex luthor gives a speech on stage and imprisons all heroes he can. Reports about the Luthor accords from 15 years ago play. Batman challenges him upfront and Superman sees it. Starman comes down to side with his new friend. Cyborg comes back. Luthor laughs at them until Superman lowers behind him. They fight off mechs and Ray palmer explodes one. People cheer and the league returns to the watchtower. Dr. Fate watches and rises with them. Fate signs appear all over the world to spark a rebellion. Wally enters Snart's home and takes the Spectres cloak.
Chapter 22 : Regalia of Luthor Clark and Lex talk for one last time in the old Smallville farmland. They talk about space and philosophy. Starman leads a revolt against Luthor. Luthor returns to Metron's space station and the league flies their ship into it. Luthor sends out Metron's Brainiac droids. Superman takes care of them quickly. The leagues in danger, so Wally equips the Spectre's cloak and becomes the Spectre. Luthor wards them off as he completes the anti-life equation. The final piece is the heart of the green. He uses machines to open the tomb. The heroes think it's all lost. But Harley quinn rises from the coffin and beats on Luthor. She explains to Batman and Starman that Ivy loved her but knew she was mortal and Ivy was immortal. So Harley was put in a tomb to absorb the right nutrients to becomes a fellow meta. Swamp thing appears and gives the league enough time to defeat Luthor. Luthor discovers the last piece is in the underworld and teleports the ship there. Green arrow sees it and gets a perfect shot on the core. Destroying it and Luthor. A month later, the league gathers at Kent Nelson's funeral. The helmet left one last spell, that Kent would die when he completed his purpose. Batman takes the responsibility of the helmet but Green arrow puts it on. He sees that something's not right and runs outside, to dig up chest. He opens it and finds a note from RIP hunter. "I'm going to hunt down Starman, and when I find him, there wont be anything left of him".
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2020.10.30 07:26 bhavbhav [Character of the Month] Beast Boy

Beast Boy

Created by: Arnold Drake and Bob Brown
First Appearance: The Doom Patrol v1 #99
Affiliated Organizations: Doom Patrol, Teen Titans, Titans, Titans West
Friends/Allies: Raven, Cyborg, Dick Grayson, Donna Troy, Starfire, Wally West, Lilith, Hank Hall, Don Hall, Holly Granger, Bette Kane, Connor Kent, Tim Drake, Cassandra Sandsmark, Bart Allen, Damian Wayne, Wallace West
Strengths/Abilities: Shapeshifting into any animal
It’s not easy being green, but Beast Boy sure makes it look that way! A mainstay of the Teen Titans, a friend to many of the second generation of heroes, and a mentor to many of the third, our viridescent warrior is as complex as he is optimistic, funny, and resilient. While he is often a source of humour, Garfield Logan’s (nearly) effortless navigation of life, love, and combat camouflages the truly fearsome opponent he can be.


Despite his often lighthearted constitution, Garfield’s origins are anything but.
Born to biologists Mark and Marie Logan, Garfield was often exposed to strange, and certainly not child-proof, environments as a side effect of his parents’ research. After contracting the rare and terminal disease, Sakutia, as a young child, Garfield was subjected to a variety of experimental treatments in order to save his life, one of which involved his being turned into a West African monkey for twenty-four hours. While these experiments were clearly a success, they left Garfield’s skin, hair, and eyes with a rich green pigment, giving him the signature look he is known for today; he also developed the permanent ability to shapeshift into any animal of his choosing – be it small and cute or large and terrifying.
Unfortunately, further tragedy was in store for Garfield, as his parents later passed away in a boating accident. Abroad and alone in the tropical location his parents had been conducting their research, an orphaned Garfield was betrayed by many of the remaining adults in his life, either seeking to use his powers with criminal intent, to exact revenge on his parents, or to steal the estate left to him.

Doom Patrol

Garfield’s introduction to Doom Patrol changed the course of his life entirely, after Doom Patrol members Elasti-Girl and Mento saved Garfield from an assassination attempt by his legal guardian, Nicholas Galtry. Elasti-Girl and Mento ultimately adopted Garfield and, after some time, allowed him to become a full-time member of the patrol under the moniker, Beast Boy.

Teen Titans

Garfield’s membership in the Titans is his claim to fame and where he has had his brightest moments as a fighter, a teammate, a mentor, and a friend.
New Teen Titans
Following the brutal killing of the Doom Patrol and his short stint as an actor, Garfield spent some time on the Teen Titans West team spearheaded by Omen, though he later joined The New Teen Titans under his new alias, Changeling.
Garfield was lively and approachable, so it's no surprise that he found his place on the team rather easily. Eventually nicknamed 'Gar', he quickly developed mutually deep friendships and genuine, familial bonds with the rest of the Titans: Robin, Dick Grayson; Cyborg, Victor Stone; Kid Flash, Wally West; Wonder Girl, Donna Troy; Starfire, Kori’andr; and Raven. His friendship with Cyborg was especially strong, and they often found themselves feeding off each other’s energies.
Gar’s tenure on the New Teen Titans was marked by many triumphs and moments of playfulness, but also by quite a few heartbreaks: Gar’s adoptive father, Mento, returned in an antagonistic capacity, wildly unleashing his powers; and Gar’s first deep love turned into something treacherous and frightening.
Having previously been denied membership to the original Teen Titans, and now barely the qualification age, Gar was the youngest and most impressionable member of the New Teen Titans. When the team welcomed an equally young female hero, Terra, whose power involved controlling the earth, Gar found himself falling head over heels for her wit and charm (one could say... she rocked his world). It was revealed ultimately that Terra was a spy working for the group’s nemesis, Deathstroke, and her betrayal hit him hardest when her true motivations came to light. In the end, it was his attempt to distract her while she was rampaging that resulted in her demise; after Gar shape-shifted into a fly and flew into her eye, a crazed Terra brought the entire H.I.V.E. complex down upon herself while attempting to destroy the Titans.
Titans L.A.
Gar, adrift and wanting to revitalize his acting career, returned to Los Angeles, where he crashed on his cousin Matthew's couch while searching for work and living a relatively Hollywood life. Despite his charisma and talent, he was unable to find sufficient employment. After being convinced to create a new team by Matthew, he, along with Herald, Bumblebee, Hero Cruz, Terra II, Flamebird, and Captain Marvel Jr. founded the new Titans West, redubbed Titans L.A.
The team was unfortunately not meant to endure. Gar, not enticed enough by the SoCal sun and his celebrity lifestyle to stick around, returned to the East Coast, after which Titans L.A. dissolved due to lack of commitment on the parts of the other members.
Following this Gar, reconsidered an offer that had previously been made to him by the Titans, but that was for naught as well. Donna Troy was killed by a rogue robotic Superman; after her death, both the Titans and the Young Justice teams disbanded, their members traumatized over the event.
Teen Titans as a Mentor
Beast Boy, Starfire, Cyborg, with renewed hope, decided to start a new team consisting of the former members of Young Justice: Robin, Tim Drake; Superboy, Connor Kent; Kid Flash, Bart Allen; and Wonder Girl, Cassandra Sandsmark.
While Gar dedicated a substantial amount of this time to mentoring the new generation of Titans, he also spent a considerable amount developing a complicated and sometimes tumultuous relationship with Raven (who had returned in a super weird way).
Though it appeared at first that Gar and Raven resumed their friendship platonically, it quickly became apparent that they cared for each other rather deeply. However, nothing in love comes easily to Titans; several massive blows to their burgeoning relationship, the majority of which were caused by Raven's lack of transparency or by Trigon's machinations, made it hard for them to see a functional future for them as a couple. They eventually reconciled, Raven's vulnerability and commitment to humanizing herself drawing Gar back to her.

The New 52

Beast Boy flirted with being red but found that it was not his colour, so he went back to a more familiar look.
Like many other characters who survived Flashpoint, Beast Boy's background changed quite significantly. In the New 52 continuity, Beast Boy's journey starts in a team called The Ravagers — a group of super-powered teens who have escaped the plans of Harvest in the Culling. The team was formed after the Teen Titans and the Legionnaires stuck in the present day were abducted by Harvest, and then later stopped the villain and escaped. The team includes Beast Boy, Terra, with whom Gar develops a deep relationship, Ridge, Thunder and Lightning, and Fairchild.


Post-Rebirth, Garfield, once again, found himself mentoring the Teen Titans, but later joined Nightwing’s newly re-formed Titans team alongside Nightwing, Donna, Raven, and Steel (Natasha Irons).

Now that we're mid-crisis, who knows what will happen next for our fuzzy hero? Here's to hoping that he'll come out the other side greener than ever!

Recommended Reading
  • The New Teen Titans, by Marv Wolfman and George Perez
  • Teen Titans, by Geoff Johns and Mike McKone
  • Teen Titans, by Benjamin Percy
  • Titans, by Dan Abnett
  • Teen Titans: Beast Boy, by Kami Garcia and Gabriel Picolo

CotM artwork by Gabriel Picolo
CotM Voting: "Green Characters"
Voting Breakdown:
Characters Votes
Beast Boy 30
Miss Martian 22
Fire 19
Poison Ivy 18
Brianiac 14
Kite Man 14
Jade 11
John Stewart 8
Ambush Bug 1
Character of the Month archives
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2020.10.18 07:19 youngbull316 Actors/Actresses by generations

Actors/Actresses by generation
Using my presidential theory (birth year), starting with the:
GI Generation
Woodrow Wilson-wave GIs:
First-term Wilson babies
1913 (March 4, 1913 - March 4, 1914) - Vivien Leigh, Kenneth Spencer, Red Skelton, Peter Cushing, Burt Lancaster
1914 (March 4, 1914 - March 4, 1915) - Hedy Lamarr, Alec Guinness, Norman Lloyd
1915 (March 4, 1915 - March 4, 1916) - Ingrid Bergman, Anthony Quinn, Dinah Shore, Jackie Gleason
1916 (March 4, 1916 - March 4, 1917) - Kirk Douglas, Olivia de Havilland, Gregory Peck, Adriana Caselotti, Ernest Borgnine
Second-term Wilson babies
1917 (March 4, 1917 - March 4, 1918) - June Foray, Raymond Burr, Marsha Hunt, Joan Fontaine
1918 (March 4, 1918 - March 4, 1919) - Nipsey Russell, Rita Hayworth, John Forsythe, Robert Stack
1919 (March 4, 1919 - March 4, 1920) - Nehemiah Persoff, Alan Young, Howard Keel, Tony Randall
1920 (March 4, 1920 - March 4, 1921) - Mickey Rooney, Walter Matthau, Esther Rolle, Donna Reed
Warren Harding-wave GIs:
Harding babies
1921 (March 4, 1921 - March 4, 1922) - Jane Russell, Charles Bronson, Rodney Dangerfield, Betty White
1922 (March 4, 1922 - March 4, 1923) - Judy Garland, Doris Day, Ava Gardner, Redd Foxx, Ruby Dee, Jean Stapleton
1923 (March 4, 1923 - August 2, 1923) - Estelle Getty, Don Adams, James Arness
Calvin Coolidge-wave GIs:
Harding’s leftover-term Coolidge babies
1924 (August 2, 1923 - March 4, 1925) - Rhonda Fleming, Rose Marie, Glynis Johns, Cliff Robertson, Marlon Brando, Cicely Tyson, Don Knotts, Dennis Weaver, Paul Newman
Full-term Coolidge babies
1925 (March 4, 1925 - March 4, 1926) - Dick Van Dyke, Angela Lansbury, Doris Roberts, June Lockhart
1926 (March 4, 1926 - March 4, 1927) - Marilyn Monroe, Andy Griffith, Ann B. Davis, Charlotte Rae, Julie Adams, Harry Dean Stanton, Sidney Poitier
1927 (March 4, 1927 - March 4, 1928) - William Daniels, Jerry Stiller, Roger Moore, Carl Switzer, Estelle Parsons, Clint Walker, Jack Cassidy
1928 (March 4, 1928 - March 4, 1929) - Shirley Temple, Fred Rogers, Adam West, Marion Ross, James Hong, Jean Simmons
Silent Generation
Herbert Hoover-wave Silents:
Hoover babies
1929 (March 4, 1929 - March 4, 1930) - Audrey Hepburn, Bob Newhart, Roxie Roker, Bud Spencer, Gene Hackman, Tippi Hedren, Anne Meara
1930 (March 4, 1930 - March 4, 1931) - Clint Eastwood, Sean Connery, Richard Harris, Steve McQueen, Carolyn Jones, John Astin, Jim Nabors, James Dean, James Earl Jones
1931 (March 4, 1931 - March 4, 1932) - Rita Moreno, William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, John Smith, Barbara Eden, Jerry Van Dyke, Marla Gibbs, Larry Hagman, Elizabeth Taylor, Piper Laurie
1932 (March 4, 1932 - March 4, 1933) - Debbie Reynolds, Pat Morita, Richard Dawson, Omar Sharif, Roy Scheider, Robert Reed,
Franklin Roosevelt-wave Silents:
First-term Roosevelt babies
1933 (March 4, 1933 - March 4, 1934) - Gene Wilder, Fred Willard, Joan Collins, Elizabeth Montgomery, Jayne Mansfield, David McCallum, John Aniston, Dom DeLuise, Tom Baker, Tina Louise, Florence Henderson
1934 (March 4, 1934 - March 4, 1935) - Maggie Smith, Sophia Loren, Jim Hutton, Kenny Baker, Brigitte Bardot, Shirley Jones, Bob Denver, Christina Pickles
1935 (March 4, 1935 - March 4, 1936) - Julie Andrews, Woody Allen, Donald Sutherland, Diahann Carroll, Peter Boyle, Judd Hirsch, Dudley Moore, Burt Reynolds
1936 (March 4, 1936 - January 20, 1937) - Robert Redford, Mary Tyler Moore, Pilar Pallete, Ursula Andress,
Second-term Roosevelt babies
1937 (January 20, 1937 - January 20, 1938) - Morgan Freeman, Jack Nicholson, Jane Fonda, Anthony Hopkins, Bill Cosby, Dustin Hoffman, Billy Dee Williams, George Takei, Barbara Windsor, Warren Beatty,
1938 (January 20, 1938 - January 20, 1939) - Natalie Wood, Christopher Lloyd, Tommy Chong, Sherman Hemsley, Jon Voight, Diana Rigg, Romy Schneider
1939 (January 20, 1939 - January 20, 1940) - Ian McKellen, Lily Tomlin, John Cleese, Paul Hogan, Valerie Harper, John Amos, Lee Majors,
1940 (January 20, 1940 - January 20, 1941) - Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris, Al Pacino, John Hurt, Patrick Stewart, Michael Gambon, Faye Dunaway
Third-term Roosevelt babies
1941 (January 20, 1941 - January 20, 1942) - Ann Margret, Nick Nolte, Ryan O'Neal, Miriam Margolyes, Eric Braeden, Gorden Kaye, Stacy Keach
1942 (January 20, 1942 - January 20, 1943) - Harrison Ford, John Witherspoon, Scott Wilson, Maree Cheatham, Billy Connolly, Christopher Stone, David Bradley
1943 (January 20, 1943 - January 20, 1944) - Robert De Niro, Christopher Walken, Chevy Chase, Sharon Tate, Joe Pesci, Creed Bratton, Wallace Shawn, Ben Kingsley, Kurtwood Smith
1944 (January 20, 1944 - January 20, 1945) - Danny DeVito, Michael Douglas, Danny Trejo, Peter Mayhew, Sam Elliott, Swoosie Kurtz, Gary Busey, Russi Taylor, Kelly Bishop, Stockard Channing, Tim Reid
Fourth-term Roosevelt babies
1945 (January 20, 1945 - April 12, 1945) - Tom Selleck, John Heard, Mia Farrow, Linda Hunt
Baby Boomers
Harry Truman-wave Boomers:
FDR’s leftover-term Truman babies
1945 (April 12, 1945 - January 20, 1946) - Steve Martin, James Avery, Goldie Hawn, Priscilla Presley, Helen Mirren, Henry Winkler, John Lithgow, Jaclyn Smith, Burt Ward, Ernie Hudson, Diane Keaton
1946 (January 20, 1946 - January 20, 1947) - Alan Rickman, Sylvester Stallone, Tim Curry, Ed O'Neill, Tommy Lee Jones, Jimmy Buffett, Susan Sarandon, Sally Field, Liza Minnelli, Danny Glover, Frank Welker, Hayley Mills, Martin Kove
1947 (January 20, 1947 - January 20, 1948) - Arnold Schwarzenegger, Robert Englund, Joe Mantegna, Farrah Fawcett, Alan Thicke, Ted Danson, James Woods, Larry Lamb, Carl Weathers
1948 (January 20, 1948 - January 20, 1949) - Samuel L. Jackson, Kathy Bates, John Ritter, Billy Crystal, Rhea Perlman, Daphne Reid, Joseph Marcell, Phylicia Rashad
Full-term Truman babies
1949 (January 20, 1949 - January 20, 1950) - Meryl Streep, Jessica Lange, Richard Gere, Loretta Devine, Sigourney Weaver, Jeff Bridges, Sissy Spacek, Don Johnson, Shelley Duvall, John Belushi, Debbie Allen
1950 (January 20, 1950 - January 20, 1951) - Bill Murray, Robbie Coltrane, Julie Walters, William H. Macy, Martin Short, David Cassidy, Jeff Conaway, William Russ, Kirstie Alley
1951 (January 20, 1951 - January 20, 1952) - Robin Williams, Mark Hamill, Mark Harmon, Michael Keaton, Kurt Russell, Anjelica Huston, Olivia Hussey, Lynda Carter, Phyllis Smith, Jane Seymour, Lou Ferrigno, Cassandra Peterson, Debra Jo Rupp
1952 (January 20, 1952 - January 20, 1953) - Patrick Swayze, Liam Neeson, Jeff Goldblum, David Hasselhoff, Mr. T, Paul Reubens, Roseanne Barr, John Goodman, Mickey Rourke, Christopher Reeve, Steven Seagal, Dan Aykroyd, Reginald VelJohnson
Dwight Eisenhower-wave Boomers:
First-term Eisenhower babies
1953 (January 20, 1953 - January 20, 1954) - Tim Allen, Pierce Brosnan, Rick Moranis, Mindy Sterling, Kim Basinger, Keith Allen, Katey Sagal, Lynn Whitfield
1954 (January 20, 1954 - January 20, 1955) - Jackie Chan, John Travolta, Denzel Washington, Jerry Seinfeld, Dennis Quaid, Catherine O'Hara, James Pickens Jr., Ray Liotta, Rekha, Kamal Haasan, Barry Williams, Don Stark, Rowan Atkinson, Kevin Costner, J.K. Simmons, Donna Pescow
1955 (January 20, 1955 - January 20, 1956) - Bruce Willis, Whoopi Goldberg, Reba McEntire, Billy Bob Thornton, Willem Dafoe, Bill Paxton, Brendan Gleeson, Betsy Randle, Kelsey Grammer, Jane Kaczmarek, Mel Gibson, Janet Hubert
1956 (January 20, 1956 - January 20, 1957) - Tom Hanks, Carrie Fisher, Bob Saget, Bryan Cranston, Geena Davis, Jackee Harry, Rob Paulsen, Andy García, Rita Wilson, Maureen McCormick, Matthew Garber, Anil Kapoor, Sinbad, Paige O'Hara
Second-term Eisenhower babies
1957 (January 20, 1957 - January 20, 1958) - Bernie Mac, Steve Buscemi, Donny Osmond, Jenifer Lewis, Bill Fagerbakke, Ray Romano, Dolph Lundgren, Dawn French, Christopher Knight, Fran Drescher, Michael Clarke Duncan, Gary Oldman, Lorenzo Lamas, Tom Virtue
1958 (January 20, 1958 - January 20, 1959) - Lorenzo Lamas, Alec Baldwin, Gary Oldman, Peter Capaldi, Jamie Lee Curtis, Kevin Bacon, Angela Bassett, Michelle Pfeiffer, Jennifer Tilly, Sharon Stone, Patricia Heaton, Marg Helgenberger, Oscar Nunez, Lisa Loring, Eve Plumb, Clancy Brown, Keenen Ivory Wayans, Rondell Sheridan, Ned Luke
1959 (January 20, 1959 - January 20, 1960) - Dave Coulier, Emma Thompson, Kevin Spacey, Hugh Laurie, Maggie Baird, Charlie Murphy, Sean Bean, Val Kilmer, Allison Janney, Judd Nelson, Jason Alexander, Matthew Modine, Linda Blair, Steve McFadden
1960 (January 20, 1960 - January 20, 1961) - Jane Lynch, Hugh Grant, Colin Firth, Antonio Banderas, Bradley Walsh, Valerie Bertinelli, Julianne Moore, Jean-Claude Van Damme, Sean Penn, Jennifer Grey, Scott Baio, Damon Wayans, James Spader, John Schneider, Rob Garrison, Chad McQueen, Courtney B. Vance, Neil Flynn, Mike Lookinland, Julia Louis-Dreyfus
John Kennedy-wave Boomers:
Kennedy babies
1961 (January 20, 1961 - January 20, 1962) - George Clooney, Eddie Murphy, Ralph Macchio, George Lopez, Michael J. Fox, Eugenio Derbez, Woody Harrelson, Jennifer Coolidge, Susan Olsen, Maggie Wheeler, Lea Thompson, Meg Ryan, Lauren Tom, Dawnn Lewis, Mark Curry, Kim Wayans, Jodi Benson, Laurence Fishburne, David Higgins, Jim Carrey
1962 (January 20, 1962 - January 20, 1963) - Tom Cruise, Steve Carell, Tom Kenny, Ralph Fiennes, Kelly Preston, Demi Moore, Eric Allan Kramer, Thomas Gibson, Jodie Foster, Emilio Estevez, Matthew Broderick, Wesley Snipes, Anthony Tyler Quinn, Joan Cusack, Jasmine Guy, Andre Braugher, Jennifer Jason Leigh, Ally Sheedy, Vic Mignogna, T'Keyah Crystal Keymáh, Tyra Ferrell
1963 (January 20, 1963 - November 22, 1963) - Jennifer Beals, Johnny Depp, John Stamos, Lisa Kudrow, Mike Myers, Vanessa Williams, Rob Schneider, Larry the Cable Guy, Sridevi Kapoor, Lisa Rinna, Isaiah Washington, Phoebe Cates, Mary Scheer, Elisabeth Shue, Ming-Na Wen, Donnie Yen, Nicollette Sheridan, Natasha Richardson
Generation X
Lyndon Johnson-wave Xers:
JFK’s leftover-term Johnson babies
1964 (November 22, 1963 - January 20, 1965) - Kevin Chamberlin, Brad Pitt, Courteney Cox, Keanu Reeves, Sandra Bullock, Lori Loughlin, Rob Lowe, Matt Dillon, Nicolas Cage, David Spade, Mariska Hargitay, Chris Farley, Russell Crowe, Don Cheadle, Vivica A. Fox, Cedric the Entertainer, Daran Norris, Janeane Garofalo, Dana Plato
Full-term Johnson babies
1965 (January 20, 1965 - January 20, 1966) - Robert Downey Jr., Shah Rukh Khan, Salman Khan, Aamir Khan, Chris Rock, Martin Lawrence, Kevin James, Brooke Shields, Charlie Sheen, Ben Stiller, Sarah Jessica Parker, Viola Davis, William Zabka, Brandon Lee, Kadeem Hardison, Mads Mikkelsen, Maile Flanagan, Rob Brydon, Melissa McBride, Elizabeth Hurley, Diane Lane, Charles Esten, Constance Marie, Kyle Chandler, Todd Bridges, Patrick Dempsey, Rainn Wilson
1966 (January 20, 1966 - January 20, 1967) - Adam Sandler, Luke Perry, Helena Bonham Carter, David Schwimmer, Halle Berry, Salma Hayek, Rainn Wilson, Jeffrey Dean Morgan, C Thomas Howell, Tamela Mann, Toby Jones, Kiefer Sutherland, Tea Leoni, Jim Gaffigan, David Mann, Karyn Parsons, Maria Canals Barrera, Eva LaRue, Stacey Dash
1967 (January 20, 1967 - January 20, 1968) - Vin Diesel, Matt LeBlanc, Will Ferrell, Julia Roberts, Jamie Foxx, Mark Ruffalo, Jason Statham, Nicole Kidman, Kate Walsh, Lauren Graham, Akshay Kumar, Pamela Anderson, John Barrowman, Ty Burrell, Lisa Bonet, Cuba Gooding Jr., Stacey Dash, Challen Cates, Connie Britton, Malik Yoba
1968 (January 20, 1968 - January 20, 1969) - Will Smith, Hugh Jackman, Terry Crews, Owen Wilson, Daniel Craig, Molly Ringwald, Anthony Michael Hall, Kristin Chenoweth, Josh Brolin, Vanessa Marcil, Sean Schemmel, Lucy Liu, Tisha Campbell-Martin, Shawn Fonteno, Phill Lewis, Naomi Watts, Gary Coleman, Catherine Tate, Parker Posey, Tracy Morgan, Brendan Fraser, Verne Troyer, Morris Chestnut, Norman Reedus, Jason Bateman, Dave Bautista
Richard Nixon-wave Xers:
First-term Nixon babies
1969 (January 20, 1969 - January 20, 1970) - Jennifer Aniston, Ellen Pompeo, Jack Black, Matthew Perry, Paul Rudd, Matthew McConaughey, Ice Cube, Ken Jeong, Paget Brewster, Jason Priestley, Cate Blanchett, Terrence Howard, Gerard Butler, Peter Dinklage, Christian Slater, Catherine Zeta-Jones, Trina McGee-Davis, Tichina Arnold, Hal Sparks, Donnie Wahlberg, Skeet Ulrich
1970 (January 20, 1970 - January 20, 1971) - Queen Latifah, Matt Damon, Skeet Ulrich, River Phoenix, Taraji P. Henson, Melissa McCarthy, Shemar Moore, Tina Fey, Uma Thurman, Madchen Amick, Justin Chambers, Anne-Marie Duff, Julie Bowen, Nia Long, Chris Tallman, Tammy Townsend, Malcolm-Jamal Warner, Regina Hall, Jason Lee, Adam Goldberg, Kirk Cameron, Warwick Davis, Leah Remini, Taye Diggs, Renee Elise Goldsberry, Jeremy Renner, Regina King, Shawn Wayans
1971 (January 20, 1971 - January 20, 1972) - Winona Ryder, Jared Leto, Mark Wahlberg, Amanda Holden, Jada Pinkett Smith, David Tennant, Ewan McGregor, Sandra Oh, Chris Tucker, Amy Poehler, Angela Kinsey, Sean Astin, Martin Freeman, Mark Consuelos, Corey Haim, Alfonso Ribeiro, Denise Richards, Christine Taylor, David DeLuise, Brian Stepanek, Yvette Nicole Brown, Corey Feldman
1972 (January 20, 1972 - January 20, 1973) - Dwayne Johnson, Sofía Vergara, Cameron Diaz, Gabrielle Union, Wentworth Miller, Ben Affleck, Jennifer Garner, Missi Pyle, Marlon Wayans, Idris Elba, Gwyneth Paltrow, Leigh-Allyn Baker, Eric Dane, Rosa Blasi, Tracee Ellis Ross, Alyssa Milano, Maya Rudolph, Jude Law, Miranda Hart, Octavia Spencer, Persia White, Wayne Brady, Josh Duhamel, Laverne Cox, Justina Machado, Elizabeth Berkley, Danny McNulty
Second-term Nixon babies
1973 (January 20, 1973 - January 20, 1974) - Paul Walker, Kate Beckinsale, Neil Patrick Harris, Jim Parsons, Seth MacFarlane, Andrew Lincoln, Tara Strong, Mario Lopez, Portia de Rossi, Steven Ogg, James Marsden, Marisol Nichols, Dave Chappelle, Holly Marie Combs, Kristen Wiig, Steve Burns, Christina Moore, Vera Farmiga, Michael Ealy, Adam Scott, Neve Campbell, Rose McGowan, Tori Spelling, Hrithik Roshan
1974 (January 20, 1974 - August 9, 1974) - David Harbour, Jenna Fischer, Christian Bale, Penélope Cruz, Elizabeth Banks, Eva Mendes, Ed Helms, Kajol, Seth Green, Derek Luke, Mark Paul Gosselaar, Tiffani Thiessen, Lark Voorhies, Breckin Meyer
Gerald Ford-wave Xers:
Nixon’s leftover-term Ford babies
1975 (August 9, 1974 - January 20, 1976) - Leonardo DiCaprio, Sarah Paulson, Misha Collins, Brooke Elliott, Joaquin Phoenix, Amy Adams, Angelina Jolie, Kate Winslet, Mekhi Phifer, Bradley Cooper, Drew Barrymore, Tobey Maguire, Stefan Karl Stefansson, Eva Longoria, Charlize Theron, Sara Ramirez, Scott Weinger, Heather O'Rourke, Dax Shepard, Linda Cardellini
1976 (January 20, 1976 - January 20, 1977) - Chadwick Boseman, Ryan Reynolds, Candace Cameron-Bure, Reese Witherspoon, Benedict Cumberbatch, Daniel Gillies, Jonathan Brandis, Andrea Barber, Alicia Silverstone, Andy Milonakis, Derek Phillips, Isla Fisher, Cillian Murphy, Anna Faris, Jessica Capshaw, Jaleel White, Darius McCrary, Kellie Shanygne Williams, Troy Baker, Page Kennedy, Ja Rule, Seann William Scott, Alex O'Loughlin, Ian Bohen, Rashida Jones, Melissa Joan Hart, Freddie Prinze Jr, Fred Savage, Danny Masterson, Will Friedle, Dustin Diamond, Orlando Bloom
Jimmy Carter-wave Xers:
Carter babies
1977 (January 20, 1977 - January 20, 1978) - John Cena, Jason Earles, Jerry Trainor, Tom Hardy, Brittany Murphy, Lana Parrilla, Milo Ventimiglia, Danny Dyer, Sarah Michelle Gellar, Matt Bomer, Kerry Washington, Jessica Chastain
1978 (January 20, 1978 - January 20, 1979) - Ian Somerhalder, Jensen Ackles, James Franco, Tia Mowry, Tamera Mowry, Andy Samberg, Rachel McAdams, Ashton Kutcher, Topher Grace, Tom Ellis, Kel Mitchell, Kenan Thompson, Zoe Saldana, Bill Hader, Ginnifer Goodwin, Katherine Heigl, Katherine Heigl, AJ Cook, Matthew Davis, Michelle Rodriguez, Tyrese Gibson, Anthony Mackie, Aimee Garcia, Katie Holmes, Judith Barsi, Matthew Morrison, Josh Dallas
1979 (January 20, 1979 - January 20, 1980) - Kevin Hart, Chris Pratt, Heath Ledger, John Krasinski, Jason Momoa, Cooper Barnes, Tiffany Haddish, Jennifer Morrison, Kate Hudson, James McAvoy, Cory Hardrict, Mindy Kaling, Stephen Kramer Glickman, Luke Evans, Rose Byrne, Jennifer Love Hewitt, Rachael Leigh Cook, Tatyana Ali, Aaron Paul, Bianca Lawson, Juan Pablo Di Pace, Rider Strong, Scott Porter, Busy Philipps, Zooey Deschanel, Jason Segel
1980 (January 20, 1980 - January 20, 1981) - Matthew Gray Gubler, Channing Tatum, Nick Cannon, Lin-Manuel Miranda, Minka Kelly, Ryan Gosling, Marla Sokoloff, Kristen Bell, Rebel Wilson, Macaulay Culkin, Jake Gyllenhaal, Chris Pine, Ben Savage, Christopher Masterson, William Levy, Zachary Levi, Kareena Kapoor, Sarah Drew, Jenna Dewan, Laura Prepon, Wilmer Valderrama, John Brotherton, Genevieve Padalecki, Bitsie Tulloch, Eden Riegel, Courtney Henggeler
Ronald Reagan-wave Millennials
First-term Reagan babies
1981 (January 20, 1981 - January 20, 1982) - Justin Timberlake, Chris Evans, Joseph Morgan, Tom Hiddleston, Jessica Alba, Uzo Aduba, Natalie Portman, Stephen Amell, Rami Malek, Jesse Williams, Danielle Fishel, Lee Norris, Chad Michael Murray, Colin O'Donoghue, Elijah Wood, Beverley Mitchell, Julia Jones, Taylor Kitsch, Allen Evangelista, Eddie Redmayne, Lauren Cohan, Zach Gilford, Jodie Sweetin
1982 (January 20, 1982 - January 20, 1983) - Paul Wesley, Sebastian Stan, Priyanka Chopra, Anne Hathaway, Cory Monteith, Mark Salling, Jared Padalecki, Matt Smith, Erik Stocklin, Jamie Dornan, Daveed Diggs, Seth Rogen, Chyler Leigh, Sophia Bush, Drew Seeley, Katie McGrath, Julian Morris, Brett Dalton, Kate Bosworth, Robert Ri'chard, Imran Khan, Damon Wayans Jr., George O Gore II, Jussie Smollett
1983 (January 20, 1983 - January 20, 1984) - Chris Hemsworth, Mila Kunis, Donald Glover, Andrew Garfield, Henry Cavill, Emily Blunt, Adam Driver, Jonah Hill, Nathaniel Buzolic, Steven Yeun, Camilla Luddington, Lupita Nyong'o, Gaius Charles, Adrianne Palicki, Trai Byers, Ryan Merriman
1984 (January 20, 1984 - January 20, 1985) - Scarlett Johansson, Matt Lauria, Theo James, Gina Rodriguez, Bob Morley, Greg Finley, Lauren London, Katrina Kaif, Aubrey Plaza, Mary Elizabeth Winstead, Justin Baldoni, Issa Rae, Aja Naomi King, Juliana Harkavy, Hugh Skinner, Anneliese Van der Pol, Christy Carlson Romano
Second-term Reagan babies
1985 (January 20, 1985 - January 20, 1986) - Frankie Muniz, Raven-Symoné, Ashley Tisdale, Anna Kendrick, Dave Franco, Ray Diaz, Troian Bellisario, Gal Gadot, Amanda Seyfried, Crystal Reed, Keira Knightley, Chace Crawford, Kaley Cuoco,
1986 (January 20, 1986 - January 20, 1987) - Justin Berfield, Robert Pattinson, Drake Bell, Josh Peck, Megan Fox, Mary-Kate Olsen, Ashley Olsen, Lindsay Lohan, Lea Michele, Holland Roden, Leighton Meester, Oliver Phelps, James Phelps, Alexandra Daddario, Shia LaBeouf, Ian Harding, Drew Roy, Brando Eaton, Emilia Clarke, Margo Harshman, AJ Trauth, Amanda Bynes, Naya Rivera, Evan Peters
1987 (January 20, 1987 - January 20, 1988) - Tom Felton, Zac Efron, Michael B. Jordan, Shay Mitchell, Blake Lively, Evan Peters, Candice King, Hilary Duff, Ed Westwick, Tyler Hoechlin, Darren Criss, Matthew Daddario
1988 (January 20, 1988 - January 20, 1989) - King Bach, Vanessa Hudgens, Rupert Grint, Nicholas Braun, Emma Stone, Melissa Benoist, Haley Joel Osment, Claire Holt, Maiara Walsh, Chris Wood, Colton Haynes, Brenda Song, Nikki Reed, Alexa PenaVega, Nina Dobrev
George Bush ‘41-wave Millennials
Bush ‘41 babies
1989 (January 20, 1989 - January 20, 1990) - Kristin Herrera, Sean Flynn, David Henrie, Abby Wilde, Phoebe Tonkin, Daniel Radcliffe, Lucy Hale, Aimee Teegarden, Corbin Bleu, Daniella Monet, Ashley Benson, Lily Collins, Elizabeth Olsen, Kat Graham, Carlos PenaVega, Lily James, Tanya Burr, Dakota Johnson, Logan Henderson, Liam Hemsworth
1990 (January 20, 1990 - January 20, 1991) - Matthew Underwood, Christopher Massey, Erin Sanders, Emma Watson, Jennifer Lawrence, Grant Gustin, Kristen Stewart, Thomas Brodie-Sangster, Ross Butler, Margot Robbie, Bill Skarsgård, Alexa Demie, Sarah Hyland, James Maslow, Kendall Schmidt, Blake Tuomy-Wilhoit, Dylan Tuomy-Wilhoit, Jake Thomas
1991 (January 20, 1991 - January 20, 1992) - Jamie Lynn Spears, Austin Butler, Dylan O'Brien, Tyler Posey, Emma Roberts, Shailene Woodley, Devon Bostick, Matt Bennett, Bonnie Wright, Calum Worthy, Adam Hagenbuch, Jason Dolley, Erik Per Sullivan, Mitchel Musso, Kyle Massey
1992 (January 20, 1992 - January 20, 1993) - Alexa Nikolas, Avan Jogia, Cole Sprouse, Dylan Sprouse, Taylor Lautner, Chase Stokes, Cara Delevingne, Josh Hutcherson, Bridgit Mendler, Joe Keery, Vanessa Morgan, Emily Osment, Daryl Sabara, Nathan Kress, Jennette McCurdy, Tyler James Williams, Spencer Boldman
Bill Clinton-wave Millennials
First-term Clinton babies
1993 (January 20, 1993 - January 20, 1994) - Victoria Justice, Debby Ryan, Miranda Cosgrove, Sofia Carson, Elizabeth Gillies, Leon Thomas III, Imani Hakim, Maia Mitchell, Keke Palmer, Raini Rodriguez, Brandon Flynn
1994 (January 20, 1994 - January 20, 1995) - Paul Butcher, Miles Heizer, Justin Prentice, Camila Mendes, Nat Wolff, Jake T. Austin, Moises Arias, Luke Bilyk, Charlie Heaton, Dacre Montgomery, Ansel Elgort, Jordan Fisher, Booboo Stewart, Madelaine Petsch
1995 (January 20, 1995 - January 20, 1996) - Danielle Campbell, Timothée Chalamet, Ross Lynch, Katherine McNamara, Mateo Arias, Billy Unger, Thomas Doherty, Dove Cameron
1996 (January 20, 1996 - January 20, 1997) - Kelli Berglund, Tom Holland, Zendaya, Lili Reinhart, Noah Centineo, Noah Munck, Joel Courtney, Mary Mouser, Teala Dunn, Stefanie Scott, Hailee Steinfeld, Jack Griffo, Dylan Minnette, Joey Bragg, Blake Michael, Trevor Jackson, Brett Gray, Jason Genao, Samantha Logan, Kamil McFadden
Second-term Clinton babies
1997 (January 20, 1997 - January 20, 1998) - Tyrel Jackson Williams, Chloë Grace Moretz, Nash Grier, Bella Thorne, KJ Apa, Hero Fiennes-Tiffin, Jacob Elordi, Olivia Holt, Leo Howard, Ciara Bravo, Jake Short, Sierra McCormick, Kira Kosarin, Madelyn Cline, Coco Jones
1998 (January 20, 1998 - January 20, 1999) - Peyton List, Jaden Smith, China Anne McClain, Paris Berelc, Devin Druid, Peyton Meyer, G Hannelius, Bradley Steven Perry, Rudy Pankow, Zachary Gordon, Robert Capron, Tanner Buchanan, Diamond White, Karan Brar
1999 (January 20, 1999 - January 20, 2000) - Sabrina Carpenter, Corey Fogelmanis, Amir Mitchell-Townes, Cameron Boyce, Joey King, Bailee Madison, Sean Giambrone, Olivia Stuck, Noah Cyrus
2000 (January 20, 2000 - January 20, 2001) - Jace Norman, Jacob Bertrand, Joshua Bassett, Daniella Perkins, Owen Joyner, Lilimar, Griffin Gluck, Meg Donnelly,
Generation Z
George Bush ‘43-wave Zoomers
First-term Bush ‘43 babies
2001 (January 20, 2001 - January 20, 2002) - Amarr M. Wooten, Tenzing Norgay Trainor, Rowan Blanchard, Isabela Merced, Caleb McLaughlin, Caden Conrique, Diego Velazquez, Xolo Mariduena, Milo Manheim
2002 (January 20, 2002 - January 20, 2003) - Asher Angel, Finn Wolfhard, Skai Jackson, Jenna Ortega, Isaak Presley, Gaten Matarazzo, Soni Nicole Bringas, Michael Campion, Sadie Sink, Jaeden Martell, Rio Mangini
2003 (January 20, 2003 - January 20, 2004) - Louis Partridge, Aidan Gallagher, Quinn Liebling , Jack Dylan Grazer, Lizzy Greene, Olivia Rodrigo, Sofia Wylie, Jahi Di'Allo Winston, Peyton Kennedy
2004 (January 20, 2004 - January 20, 2005) - Millie Bobby Brown, Noah Schnapp, Jayden Bartels, Jenna Davis, Dylan Conrique, Sissy Sheridan, Addison Riecke, William Franklyn-Miller, Casey Simpson, Peyton Elizabeth Lee, Francesca Capaldi, Mace Coronel
Second-term Bush ‘43 babies
2005 (January 20, 2005 - January 20, 2006) - Ruby Rose Turner, Noah Jupe, Navia Robinson, Issac Ryan Brown, Ella Anderson, Ayden Mekus,
2006 (January 20, 2006 - January 20, 2007) - Walker Bryant, Jentzen Ramirez, Indi Star, Sawyer Sharbino, Jacob Tremblay, Symonne Harrison, Ava Kolker, McKenna Grace, Clementine Lea Spieser, Priah Ferguson, Trinitee Stokes
2007 (January 20, 2007 - January 20, 2008) - Ariana Greenblatt, Hayden Haas, Jason Maybaum, Elias Harger, August Maturo, Malachi Barton, Scarlett Estevez,
2008 (January 20, 2008 - January 20, 2009) - Mia Talerico, Jackson Robert Scott, Finn Carr
Barack Obama-wave Zoomers
First-term Obama babies
2009 (January 20, 2009 - January 20, 2010) - Shiloh Nelson, Lexy Kolker, Julia Butters, Madison Rojas, Xia Vigor
2010 (January 20, 2010 - January 20, 2011) - Kingston Foster, Jordyn Raya James, Paxton Booth, Trinity Valenzuela, Rylie Cregut, Lily Rose Mumford, Ellarose Kaylor
2011 (January 20, 2011 - January 20, 2012) - Maya Le Clark, Ocean Maturo, Ja’ Siah Young, Harlo Haas, Jeremy Maguire
2012 (January 20, 2012 - January 20, 2013) - Logan Moreau, Mykal-Michelle Harris, Lexi Rabe, Charlie Townsend, Anniston Price, Tinsley Price
Second-term Obama babies
2013 (January 20, 2013 - January 20, 2014) - N/A
2014 (January 20, 2014 - January 20, 2015) - Fox Messitt, Dashiell Messitt
2015 (January 20, 2015 - January 20, 2016) - Presley Smith
2016 (January 20, 2016 - January 20, 2017) - N/A

You can find all of these celebrities on Famous Birthdays.
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2020.10.16 02:00 JoshicusBoss98 Musical artists by generation

Lost Generation
Early Lost:
1880 - N/A
1881 - Bela Bartok, George Enescu, Mikulas Schneider-Trnavsky, Kamel al Khola’ie
1882 - Igor Stravinsky, Tony Jackson, Leopold Stokowski, Ballard MacDonald, Percy Grainger
1883 - Mamie Smith
1884 - York Bowen, Sarah Martin, Blanche Selva
1885 - Agustin Barrios, Joe King Oliver, Sam M. Lewis, Jerome Kern, Deems Taylor
Core Lost:
1886 - Al Jolson, Ma Rainey, Alberto Guerrero
1887 - Sam Collins, Arthur Rubinstein, Eubie Blake
1888 - Irving Berlin, Lead Belly, Haven Gillespie, Maurice Chevalier, Max Steiner
1889 - Joe Young, Alton Adams
1890 - Jelly Roll Morton, Carlos Gardel, Paul Whiteman, Bob Burns, Myra Hess
1891 - Cole Porter, Sergei Profokiev, AP Carter
1892 - Mississippi John Hurt, Winifred Lawson, Sayed Darwish
1893 - Andres Segovia, Blind Lemon Jefferson, Big Bill Broonzy
Late Lost:
Greatest Generation
Early Greatest
1900 - Aaron Copland, Wingy Manone, Leo Robin, Xavier Cugat, Pink Anderson, Agustin Lara
1901 - Louis Armstrong, Nelson Eddy, Rudy Vallee, Wayne King
1902 - Richard Rodgers, Meredith Wilson, Guy Lombardo
1903 - Bing Crosby, Vladimir Horowitz, Lili Kraus, Roy Acuff, Ruby Smith, Aram Khachaturian
1904 - Glenn Miller, Count Basie, Fats Waller, George Formby, Coleman Hawkins,
1905- Maria von Trapp, Tex Ritter, Eddie Condon, Tommy Dorsey, Jule Styne, Bob Wills, Chick Webb,
Core Greatest
1906 - Dmitri Shostakovich, Grace Williams, Peewee Russell
1907 - Cab Calloway, Kate Smith, Zarah Leander, Jane Froman
1908 - Bunny Berigan, Raymond Scott, Louis Jordan
1909 - Burl Ives, Benny Goodman, Maybelle Carter, Victor Borge, Art Tatum, Johnny Mercer, Gene Krupa
1910 - David rose, Scatman Crothers, Louis Prima, T-Bone Walker, Howlin’ Wolf, Django Reinhardt, Artie Shaw, Mary Lou Williams
1911 - Robert Johnson, Mahalia Jackson, Jo Jones, Bill Monroe, Smiley Burnette, Portia White, Jorge Negrete, Laverne Andrews, Mitch Miller
1912 - Perry Como, Woody Guthrie, Les Brown, Nancy Wake, Minnie Pearl, John Cage, Asmahan
1913 - Grandpa Jones, Benjamin Britten, George Lloyd, Frankie Laine, Charles Trenet
Late Greatest
1914 - Josh White, Pee Wee King, Hank Snow
1915 - Frank Sinatra, Billie Holiday, Edith Piaf, Muddy Waters, Les Paul, Ewan MacColl, Johnny Bond
1916 - Harry James, Dinah Shore, MS Subbulakshmi, Dennis Day, Maxene Andrews, Ray Conniff
1917 - Ella Fitzgerald, Dean Martin, Vera Lynn, Lena Horne, Dizzy Gillespie, Buddy Rich, Thelonious Monk, John Lee Hooker
1918 - Leonard Bernstein, Cisco houston, Butch Ballard, Patty Andrews, Elmore James, Joe Williams,
1919 - Nat King Cole, Antonio Aguilar, Liberace, Pete Seeger, Tennessee Ernie Ford, Monte Hale, Kitty Wells, Ross Bagdasarian Sr.,
Silent Generation
Early Silent
1920 - Peggy Lee, Charlie Parker, Ravi Shankar, Dave Brubeck, Amalia Rodrigues
1921 - Johnny Otis
1922 - Yma Sumac, Illinois Jacquet, Charles Mingus, Kitty Kallen
1923 - Audrey Williams, Hank Williams Sr., George Russell, Maria Callas, Tito Puente, Jim Reeves, Elmo Hope
1924 - Charles Aznavour, Sarah Vaughan, Dinah Washington, Ernest Tomlinson
1925 - Celia Cruz, BB King, Sammy Davis Jr., Marty Robbins, Bill Haley
Core Silent
1926 - Chuck Berry, Tony Bennett, Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Big Mama Thornton, George Martin, Julie London
1927 - Eartha Kitt, Andy Williams, Harry Belafonte, Sabah, Johnnie Ray, Slim Dusty
1928 - Fats Domino, Tommy DeVito, Rosemary Clooney, Eddie Fisher, Ennio Morricone, Bo Diddley
1929 - June Carter Cash, Link Wray, Late Mangeshkar, Laurdine Patrick, Raymond Jessel, Kishore Kumar, Buck Owens, Chet Baker
1930 - Ray Charles, Rolf Harris, The Big Bopper, Mary Costa, Stephen Sondheim, Colin Thackery, Jasper Johns
1931 - George Jones, Sam Cooke, Ike Turner, Della Reese, Skeeter Davis, Brook Benton
1932 - Johnny Cash, Tiny Tim, Little Richard, John Williams, Loretta Lynn, Patsy Cline, Eddy Wally, Petula Clark, Rick Hall, Lol Coxhill
1933 - James Brown, Willie Nelson, Quincy Jones, Nina Simone, Conway Twitty, Robert Patterson, Cissy Houston, Asha Bhosle, Montserrat Caballe
Late Silent
1934 - Frankie Valli, Leonard Cohen, Fairuz, Eduard Khil, Pat Boone, Steve Lacy, Del Shannon, Johnnie Taylor, Jackie Wilson
1935 - Elvis Presley, Jerry Lee Lewis, Luciano Pavarotti, Sonny Bono, Johnny Mathis, Dolan Ellis, Bobby Vinton, John Phillips, Utah Phillips
1936 - Buddy Holly, Charlie Daniels, Roy Orbison, Glen Campbell, Kris Kristofferson, Bobby Darin, Engelbert Humperdinck, Bil Wyman, Bill Gaither
1937 - Waylon Jennings, Merle Haggard, Shirley Bassey, Jerry Reed, Roberta Flack, Nancy Wilson, Nathan Davis
1938 - Kenny Rogers, Bill Withers, Jack Jones, Ben E. King, Etta James, Shirley Caesar, Charley Pride, Gordon Lightfoot, Connie Francis, Bobby Pickett
1939 - Tina Turner, Marvin Gaye, Karel Gott, Ian hunter, Frankie Avalon, Dusty Springfield, Grace Slick, Ginger Baker, John Stewart, Neil Sedaka, Don Williams, Dion Dimucci, David Allan Coe, Alan Silva
Baby Boomer Generation
Early Boomers
1940 - John Lennon, Ringo Starr, Tom Jones, Vincente Fernandez, Smokey Robinson, Dionne Warwick, Johnny Nash, Sir Cliff Richard, Nancy Sinatra, Ricky Nelson, Frank Zappa, Paul Williams, Stuart Sutcliffe, Herbie Hancock
1941 - Paul Anka, Bob Dylan, Ritchie Valens, Neil Diamond, Paul Simon, Charo, Helen Reddy, Otis Redding, Linda McCartney, Chubby Checker, Pete Best, Iona Brown, Otis Williams, David Ruffin, Art Garfunkel, George Clinton, Mike Love, Mama Cass Elliott, Ronald Isley, Joan Baez
1942 - Paul McCartney, Aretha Franklin, Jimi Hendrix, Barbra Streisand, Carole King, Jerry Garcia, Brian Wilson, Frankie Lymon, Muslim Magomayev, Ali Abdullah Saleh, Mac Davis, Muammar Gaddafi, Brian Jones, Scatman John, Lou Reed, Wayne Newton, Ronnie James Dio, Isaac Hayes
1943 - Mick Jagger, George Harrison, Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, John Denver, Gloria Gaynor, Keith Richards, Roger Waters, Barry Manilow, Joni Mitchell, Julio Iglesias, Jimmy Griffin, Randy Newman, Gayla Peevey, Cilia Black, Jim Croce, Steve Miller
1944 - Diana Ross, Patti LaBelle, Jimmy Page, Gladys Knight, Gary Glitter, Brenda Lee, Barry White, Frank Sinatra Jr., Roger Daltrey, Clarence White, John Entwistle
1945 - Bob Marley, Rod Stewart, Debbie Harry, Eric Clapton, Bette Midler, Lemmy Kilmister, Neil Young, Bob Seger, Davy Jones, Don McLean, Anne Murray, Van Morrison, Carly Simon, Ramon Ayala, Jose Feliciano, Pete Townshend, Kim Larsen, Pete Criss, Tammi Terrell, John Fogerty, Micky Dolenz
Core Boomers
1946 - Freddie Mercury, Dolly Parton, Cher, Barry Gibb, Jimmy Buffett, Bon Scott, John Paul Jones, Lesley Gore, David Gilmour, Daryl Hall, Lux Interior, Al Green, Syd Barrett, Linda Ronstadt
1947 - Elton John, David Bowie, Brian May, Iggy Pop, Brian Johnson, Carlos Santana, Meat Loaf, Sammy Hagar, Minnie Riperton, Kiki Dee, Ronnie Wood, Don Henley
1948 - Ozzy Osbourne, Olivia Newton-John, Stevie Nicks, Steven Tyler, Alice Cooper, Robert Plant, Rick James, Donna Summer, Grace Jones, James Taylor, Jose Jose, John Bonham, Kenny Loggins, Andrew Lloyd Webber, Cat Stevens, Ted Nugent, Jackson Browne
1949 - Billy Joel, Lionel Richie, Roger Taylor, Bruce Springsteen, Gene Simmons, Steve Perry, Hank Williams Jr., Rick Springfield, Eddie Money, Billy Gibbons
1950 - Stevie Wonder, Tom Petty, Agnnetha Faltskog, Juan Gabriel, Rebbie Jackson, Karen Carpenter, Jack Hartmann, Billy Ocean, Huey Lewis, Bobby McFerrin, Natalie Cole, Peter Gabriel, Guitarist, Eric Carr,
1951 - John Deacon, Sting, Phil Collins, Bonnie Tyler, Joan Sebastian, Luther Vandross, Jackie Jackson, Mick Mars, John Mellencamp, Ace Frehley, Zella Lehr, Zypriern Katsaris, Rob Halford, Bob Geldof, Joey Ramone, Crystal Gayle
1952 - George Strait, Paul Stanley, Neil Peart, Nile Rodgers, Matthew Knowles
1953 - Cyndi Lauper, John Doe, Charlie Wilson, Bruce Hall, Tito Jackson, Chaka Khan, Pat Benatar, Michael Bolton, Malcolm Young, Betty Wright, Geddy Lee, Jeff Fatt, Robin Zander
Late Boomers
1954 - Jermaine Jackson, Annie Lennox, David Lee Roth, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Elvis Costello, Yanni, David Newman, Michael Anthony
1955 - Eddie Van Halen, Reba McEntire, Angus Young, Yo-Yo Ma, Billy Idol
1956 - La Toya Jackson, GG Allin, Kenny G, Teena Marie, Ian Curtis,Dwayne Wayans, Randy Rhoads, John Lydon
1957 - Gloria Estefan, Sid Vicious, Marlon Jackson, Phil Lewis, Ricardo Montaner
1958 - Michael Jackson, Madonna, Prince, Ice T, Joan Jett, Nikki Sixx, Alan Jackson, Andrea Bocelli, Anita Baker, Kate Bush, Bruce Dickinson, Belinda Carlisle, Joe Diffie
1959 - Weird Al Yankovic, Bryan Adams, Flavor Flav, Israel Kamakawiwo’ole, Babyface, Morrissey, Sade, Robert Smith, Pete Burns
Generation X
Early Xers
1960 - Bono, Chalino Sanchez
1961 - Billy Ray Cyrus, Boy George, Susan Boyle, Enya, Toby Keith, Amr Diab, Randy Jackson, Dave Mustaine, Vince Neil, Carlos Vives, Matt Johnson, Keith Sweat, Uhuru Kenyatta
1962 - Jon Bon Jovi, Axl Rose, Tommy Lee, Garth Brooks, Paula Abdul, MC Hammer, Flea, Anthony Kiedis, Kirk Hammett, Sheryl Crow, Cliff Burton
1963 - Whitney Houston, George Michael, James Hetfield, Seal, Coolio, Lars Ulrich, Bret Michaels
1964 - Eazy-E, TobyMac, Lenny Kravitz, Chris Cornell, Courtney Love, Eddie Vedder
1965 - Dr. Dre, Slash, Shania Twain, Bjork, Rob Zombie, Benzino
Core Xers
1966 - Janet Jackson, Rick Astley, Matt Freeman, Darius Rucker, Too Short, Sinead O’Connor, Dimebag Darrell, Najwa Karam
1967 - Kurt Cobain, Keith Urban, David Guetta, Toni Braxton, Vanilla Ice, Tim McGraw, Tyler Stewart, R. Kelly, Faith Hill, Noel Gallagher, E-40, Harry Connick Jr.
1968 - Celine Dion, Peaches, LL Cool J, Kylie Minogue, Marc Anthony, Lisa Marie Presley, Shaggy, Kenny Chesney, Damon Albarn,
1969 - Jennifer Lopez, Jay-Z, Ice Cube, Gwen Stefani, Diddy, Marilyn Manson, Bobby Brown, Jenni Rivera, Birdman, Dave Grohl, Peter Gunz, Cree Summer, Tiesto, Nate Dogg
1970 - Mariah Carey, Suga Free, Fat Joe, DMX, Kirk Franklin, Master P, Luis Miguel
1971 - Tupac Shakur, Snoop Dogg, Selena Quintanilla, Ricky Martin, Missy Elliott, Lisa, Lopes, Mary J. Blige, Gary Barlow, Stevie J., Tech N9ne, Lil Jon, Erykah Badu, Kid Rock, Method Man
1972 - Eminem, Notorious B.I.G., Billie Joe Armstrong, Jermaine Dupri, Liam Gallagher, Busta Rhymes, Brad Paisley, Common, Park Jin-Young
1973 - Pharrell Williams, Sean Paul, Nas, Akon, Corey Taylor, Peter Andre, Faith Evans, Dani
Late Xers
1974 - Nelly, Lil Kim, Victoria Beckham, Robbie Williams, Da Brat, Loona, Jeff Bhasker
1975 - Sia, DJ Khaled, Mel B, 50 Cent, Fergie,, Enrique Iglesias, Juicy J, Michael Buble, Travis Barker, CeeLo Green, Lauryn Hill, MIA, Tameka Harris, Mark Ronson, Redfoo
1976 - Luke Bryan, Blake Shelton, Rick Ross, Chester Bennington, Rasheeda, Kandi Burruss, Plies, Vybz Kartel, Ja Rule, Cam’ron, Tank, Jim Jones
1977 - Kanye West, Shakira, Gerard Way, Daddy Yankee, Psy, 2 Chainz, Ludacris, Tamar Braxton, John Mayer, Jason Aldean, Robin Thicke, Chris Martin, Steve Aoki, Jeezy, Ray Toro, Fabolous
1978 - Usher, John Legend, Luis Fonsi, Alesha Dixon, Nicole Scherzinger, Zoe Saldana, Diplo, Tyrese Gibson, Nelly Furtado, Trina
1979 - Adam Levine, Pink, Aaliyah, Flo Rida, Pete Wentz, Ne-Yo, The Game, Brandy, Ashley Purdy, Lecrae Moore, Mya
Generation Y
Early Millennials
1980 - Gucci Mane, TI, Christina Aguilera, Remy Ma, Pauly D, Ashanti, Mikey Way, Jessica Simpson
1981 - Beyonce, Britney Spears, Justin Timberlake, Alicia Keys, Pitbull, Rachel Platten, Romeo Santos, Kelly Rowland, Ray J, Frank Iero, Yo Gotti, Nicky Jam, Jennifer Hudson, Keyshia Cole, Amy Lee, Dallon Weekes, Christina Milian
1982 - Nicki Minaj, Lil Wayne, Kelly Clarkson, DeStorm Power, Lil Boosie, Adam Lambert, Ty Dolla Sign, Daveed Diggs,
1983 - Carrie Underwood, Future, Amy Winehouse, Macklemore, Cheryl Ann Tweedy, Vic Fuentes, Adrienne Eliza Houghton, Mirana Lambert, Ronnie Radke, Andy Grammer
1984 - Katy Perry, Avril Lavigne, Trey Songz, Calvin Harris, Olly Murs, Patrick Stump, Mandy Moore, French Montana, T-Pain, Sam Hunt, Kid Cudi, Delta Goodrem, Omarion, Fantasia Barrino
1985 - Bruno Mars, Lana Del Rey, J Cole, Nipsey Hussle, J Balvin, Ciara, Carly Rae Jepsen, Marina Diamandis, Todrick Hall,
Core Millennials
1986 - Drake, Lady Gaga, Ellie Goulding, Kevin Gates, Kellin Quinn, Oliver Sykes, DJ Snake, Ryan Ross, Lindsey Stirling, Christina Perri
1987 - Brendon Urie, Kendrick Lamar, Wiz Khalifa, Kesha, Kevin Jonas, Meek Mill, Bow Wow, Jay Park, Justina Valentine, Frank Ocean
1988 - Rihanna, Adele, Vanessa Hudgens, Tyler Joseph, Josh Dun, Lizzo, Jessie J, A$AP Rocky, Big Sean, Lil Dicky, Jhene Aiko, G Dragon, James Arthur, Hayley Williams, Chantelle Paige, Sham Idrees, Skrillex
1989 - Taylor Swift, Chris Brown, Jason Derulo, Tyga, Joe Jonas, Bebe Rexha, G-Eazy, SZA, Prince Royce, Zedd
1990 - The Weeknd, Iggy Azalea, Machine Gun Kelly, Andy Biersack, blackberry, Rita Ora, Soulja Boy, B. Simone, YG, JoJo, Jonghyun, James Maslow
1991 - Louis Tomlinson, Travis Scott, Ed Sheeran, Charlie Puth, Offset, DaBaby, Fetty Wap, Tyler the Creator, Quavo Marshall, NF, Anne-Marie, Young Thug, Jesy Nelson, Leigh-Anne Pinnock , Moneybagg Yo, PnB Rock, Karol G
1992 - Cardi B, Selena Gomez, Miley Cyrus, Demi Lovato, Nick Jonas, Marshmello, 21 Savage, Mac Miller, Jin, Sam Smith, Joji, Madilyn Bailey, Candy Ken, Conor Maynard, Jade Thirlwall, August Alsina
1993 - Ariana Grande, Zayn Malik, Niall Horan, Liam Payne, Meghan Trainor, Min Yoongi, Perrie Edwards, Rydel Lynch, Chance the Rapper, Saweetie, Swae Lee, Bryson Tiller, Cher Lloyd
Late Millennials
1994 - Justin Bieber, Harry Styles, Lil Uzi Vert, Kim Namjoon, Halsey, Lil Baby, Bad Bunny, Ashton Irwin, Christina Grimmie, Ava Max, Maluma, Alec Benjamin, Takeoff, Ella Mai
1995 - Jimin, Melanie Martinez, Kim Taehyung, Post Malone, Megan Thee Stallion, Dua Lipa, Doja Cat, Troye Sivan, Jisoo Kim, Michael Clifford, A Boogie wit da Hoodie, Poppy,
1996 - 6IX9INE, Lil Peep, Jack Glinsky, Luke Hemmings, Lil Xan, Austin Mahone, Jack Johnson,
1997 - Camilla Cabello, Becky G, Lil Yachty, Kodak Black, Lalisa Manoban, Blueface, Zara Larsson, Alan Walker, Yungblud, Roseanne Park, Park Ji-min, Cody Simpson
1998 - Shawn Mendes, XXX Tentacion, Juice WRLD, Corbyn Besson, Jonah Marais, Mulatto, Conan Gray, Khalid, Lil Skies, Maggie Lindemann
1999 - Madison Beer, NBA YoungBoy, Jack Avery, Daniel Seavey, Pop Smoke, YNW Melly, HRVY, Lil Nas X, Trippie Redd, YBN Nahmir, Polo G
Generation Z
Early Zoomers
2000 - Baby Ariel, Lil Pump, Maverick Baker, Willow Smith, Skye, Leonard Devries
2001 - Billie Eilish, Zach Herron, Carson Lueders, Lil TJAY,
2002 - Jacob Sartorius, Loren Gray, Malu Trevejo, Famous Ocean, NLE Choppa, Indiana Massara, Lil Mosey, Max Mills, Ruel
2003 - Cash Baker, Johnny Orlando, MattyB, Sophia Grace Brownlee,
2004 - Grace VanderWaal, Sky Katz,
2005 - Hayden Summerall, Brooklyn Queen, Baby Kaely
Core Zoomers
2006 - Rosie McClelland, Mason Ramsey, Stefan Benz
2007 - Gavin Magnus, Angelica Hale, That Girl Lay Lay, Ynw Bslime, Celine Tam
2008 - N/A
2009 - Dylan Gilmer, Heavenly Joy, Roberta Battaglia
2010 - N/A
2011 - N/A
2012 - Sophie Fatu
2013 - KD Da Kid
Late Zoomers
2014 - N/A
2015 - N/A
2016 - N/A
2017 - N/A
2018 - N/A
2019 - N/A
Generation Alpha
Early Alphas
2020 - N/A
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2020.10.07 09:29 SulfurFlouride THECHEMISTRYLAB's Tier List for September 2020

Welcome to THECHEMISTRYLAB's Tier List. Unlike the past few Tier Lists, this list is not based only on my opinions. I have discussed with some members of my Alliance and this Tier List is our views on characters of the game
Unlike the Owls' version, this Tier List is not specifically for Lvl 80 and G11 Toons, but for a general outline of how the characters function in the game, regardless of level
So you will expect some characters to be in different tiers as compared to the Owls' Version
There a 5 Tiers: Supreme, Superb, Average, Room for Improvement and White Elephant
Supreme: The absolute best of the best characters in the game who will never let you down, you should save your resources for these characters
Superb: They are also very useful in most circumstances, but have a few minor flaws
Average: They might need the help of their teammates to reach their full potential and to give you their best performance
RFI: Toons here start to get a bit bad. They sort of need a rework, but are still usable if paired with the right teammates. However, they start to become of less value as you go on to higher levels. They are still good for early game
White Elephant: They are those whom you shouldn't even consider using at all
A (+) sign indicates that the character is the better ones of that particular Tier
A (-) sign indicates that the character is at the lower end of that particular Tier
The characters in each tier is by Alphabetical Order, in the Order or Energy, Mystical and last but not least, Physical
Supreme (Energy)
Arkkis (+)
Hawkgirl (-)
Larfleeze (-)
Lex Luthor Survival Support Suit (+)
Martian Manhunter
Superboy (-)
Supreme (Mystical)
Donna Troy (+)
Saint Walker (-)
Wonder Girl (+)
Supreme (Physical)
Green Arrow Castaway (+)
Red Hood
Superb (Energy)
Cyborg Superman (-)
Hal Jordan (+)
Jessica Cruz
Killer Frost
Power Girl
Reverse Flash
Starfire (-)
Steppenwolf (+)
Wally West (-)
Superb (Mystical)
Alan Scott (+)
Black Adam (+)
Cheetah (+)
Circe (+)
Eclipso (-)
John Constantine (-)
Sinestro White Lantern
Star Sapphire (-)
Swamp Thing
Wonder Woman Princess of Themyscira
Superb (Physical)
Beast Boy
Big Barda
Black Manta (-)
Black Mask (+)
Booster Gold (+)
Cassandra Cain
Deadshot Hired Gun
Green Arrow Emerald Archer
Harley Quinn Mad Jester (-)
Owlman (+)
Red Robin (+)
Average (Energy)
Batman Beyond
Black Lightning
General Zod
Guy Gardner (-)
Hawkman (+)
Heat Wave
Medphyll (+)
Mirror Master
Mr Freeze
Average (Mystical)
Aquaman King of Atlantis
Ares (-)
Katana (+)
Mary Shazam
Ocean Master
Ra's Al Ghul
Silver Banshee
Solomon Grundy
Spectre (-)
Average (Physical)
Batman WGD
Black Canary
Catwoman (+)
Conner Kent (+)
Deadshot Suicide Squad Hitman
Harley Quinn Quite Vexing (-)
Joker Clown Prince of Crime
Killer Croc
Lex Luthor Assault Warsuit
Poison Ivy
Talia Al Ghul
Room for Improvement (Energy)
Batman The Dark Knight
Captain Atom (-)
Captain Cold
Doomsday (-)
Firestorm (-)
Kid Flash (-)
Sinestro Yellow Lantern (+)
Terra (-)
Room for Improvement (Mystical)
Aquaman Rider of the King Tide (-)
Doctor Fate
Freddy Shazam
Raven (-)
Wonder Woman Champion of the Amazons (-)
Wonder Woman Defender of Justice
Zatanna (-)
Room for Improvement (Physical)
Batman Caped Crusader (+)
Captain Boomerang
Doctor Poison (-)
Giganta (-)
Nightwing (-)
Robin (+)
White Elephant (Energy)
Gorilla Grodd
John Stewart (+)
Mr Miracle
White Elephant (Mystical)
Blue Beetle (-)
Vandal Savage (-----)
Vandal Savage is pretty much our new Ra's Al Ghul before rework
White Elephant (Physical)
Jay Garrick
Joker Damaged Goods (-)
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2020.10.04 18:34 Orfan_Crippl3r Wonder Girl should be an unlockable costume/alternate personality for Wonder Woman in Injustice 3

Wonder Girl (Donna Troy) is awesome, and she basically has all the powers of Wonder Woman. In addition to being Diana's adopted sister, Donna was also a mainstay of the original and new Teen Titans. She's one of my favorite D.C. characters, so I'd love to see her as an alternate costume/personality (like how Supergirl can be Power Girl or Flash can be Reverse Flash). While we're on the subject of alternate costumes, it would also be nice to see the other Robins as alternate costumes for the Damien Robin.
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2020.09.30 18:00 MrZubaz Team Affiliations (Complete Updated List for October 2020)


I debuted the following compiled list when a hero challenge listed that it would allow for "Titans Only." I updated the list when Beast Boy received a re-work and has one of his skills dependent on the Team Affiliation of others. Others now have similar skills, including a new one this month. Since then, I’ve resolved to update the list more or less monthly, with a re-post every six months after the original is archived, so here we are.
Going to any hero's profile includes a link to their "Bio," which not only gives a backstory for the character, but also what will be listed here: Affiliations. Given the possibility of similar hero challenges and new affiliation-based skills going forward, it seemed worth it to have a running list in the community.
Community members have already raised issues about how seemingly obvious heroes that have been affiliated with the Titans or Teen Titans in various media do not have the appropriate designation. You’ll see how the Affiliations listed below are even more problematic. Again - I did not create these! I know they're not accurate with the lore! Save yourself the comment of asking why a character does or does not have a certain affiliation!
That said, the following lists all current affiliations in the game. First it is listed by Affiliation (in Alphabetical Order). I then provide the whole roster with their individual affiliations. I've now also added a running list of toons with skills that are dependent on Affiliation.
Warning: this list WILL infuriate you if you think about any of the glaring logical errors for more than like, a second. I have NO answer for "Why is X in Y affiliation but not Z?" I have NO answer for “Why did A get their own affiliation, but not B?” Etc. Etc.
If I made any errors (VERIFIED IN THE GAME, not according to lore, because there are millions of those), please let me know and I’ll happily edit. I will likely also need to edit for formatting.


  • Beast Boy - Go Titans! : 30% chance to use Monkey Business at the end of each teammate's turn. +25% chance if teammate is a Titan.
  • General Zod - New Krypton : Team Leader: All Allies Gain +15% Crit Chance; Legendary: If a teammate deals a critical hit, 70% Chance for Zod to gain Death Immunity; +10% Chance if Teammate is Kryptonian.
  • Guy Gardner - The Strongest Will: Prevent death once. Legendary: Give Crit Immunity (1T) to all allies at start of battle. Also give Damage Immunity (1T) if ally is a Green Lantern.
  • Hippolyta - Queen of War : Team Leader: Apply 1 permanent Stamina Up to an ally when an ally deals damage to an enemy, apply 1 strength up if is an Amazon.
  • Kilowog - Rookies!!: At the start of every ally Turn, if that ally has 5 or more buffs 75% chance to apply 15% Shield on that ally. Legendary: If the ally is a Green Lantern apply Light Overheal.
  • Miss Martian - Titans Go!: At the start of every ally turn, 75% Chance to apply 10% Shield on that ally, if the ally is a Titan apply 15% additional Shield .
  • Saint Walker - Beacon of Hope: Team Leader: While Saint Walker is alive, allies gain 20% Strength, Intelligence, Agility and Stamina. Green Lanterns gain an extra 5% of each. Legendary: At the beginning of each of their turns, allies gain 10% Shield. Green Lanterns gain an extra 5% Shield.


(No affiliation)

  • Dr. Poison
  • Eclipso
  • Hush
  • Joker (Damaged Goods)


  • Artemis
  • Donna Troy
  • Hippolyta
  • Wonder Girl
  • Wonder Woman (CotA)
  • Wonder Woman (DoJ)
  • Wonder Woman (PoT)


  • Big Barda
  • Mister Miracle
  • Steppenwolf

Arkham Inmates

  • Killer Croc
  • Scarecrow
  • Two-Face


  • Aqualad
  • Aquaman KoA
  • Aquaman RoKT
  • Mera
  • Ocean Master
  • Siren

Bat Family

  • Azrael
  • Batgirl
  • Batman (Caped Crusader)
  • Batman (TDK)
  • Batman (WGD)
  • Batman Beyond
  • Batwoman
  • Catwoman
  • Clayface
  • Nightwing
  • Red Hood
  • Red Robin
  • Robin

Birds of Prey

  • Batgirl
  • Black Canary
  • Catwoman
  • Huntress

Crime Syndicate

  • Owlman
  • Ultraman

Demon Knights

  • Etrigan


  • Raven

Greek Gods

  • Ares
  • Circe

Green Lantern Corps

  • Arkkis Chmmuck
  • Green Lantern Hal Jordan
  • Green Lantern John Stewart
  • Guy Gardner
  • Jessica Cruz
  • Kilowog
  • Medphyll

Injustice League

  • Bane
  • Bizarro
  • Black Manta
  • Cheetah
  • Giganta
  • Gorilla Grodd
  • Joker (Clown Prince)
  • Lex Luthor AW
  • Lex Luthor SSS
  • Mr. Freeze
  • Penguin
  • Poison Ivy
  • Reverse Flash
  • Solomon Grundy

Justice League

  • Aquaman KoA
  • Aquaman RoKT
  • Atom
  • Batman (Caped Crusader)
  • Batman (World’s Greatest Detective)
  • Black Lightning
  • Firestorm
  • Flash
  • Green Arrow (Castaway)
  • Green Arrow (Emerald Archer)
  • Green Lantern Hal Jordan
  • Killer Frost
  • Lobo
  • Martian Manhunter
  • Superman
  • Vixen
  • Wally West
  • Wonder Woman (CotA)
  • Wonder Woman (DoJ)
  • Wonder Woman (PoT)

Justice League Dark

  • Deadman
  • Etrigan
  • John Constantine
  • Swamp Thing
  • Zatanna

Justice League International

  • Booster Gold
  • Captain Atom
  • Guy Gardner

Justice Society of America

  • Alan Scott
  • Jay Garrick
  • Power Girl
  • Spectre
  • S.T.R.I.P.E.
  • Stargirl


  • Bizarro
  • Doomsday
  • General Zod
  • Power Girl
  • Superboy
  • Supergirl
  • Superman


  • Alan Scott
  • Atrocitus
  • Larfleeze
  • Parallax
  • Saint Walker
  • Sinestro (White Lantern)
  • Sinestro (Yellow)
  • Star Sapphire

League of Assassins

  • Ra's al Ghul
  • Talia al Ghul

Legion of Doom

  • Brainiac


  • Doctor Fate
  • Zatanna


  • Arsenal
  • Artemis
  • Red Hood


  • Arsenal
  • Black Lightning
  • Cassandra Cain
  • Katana


  • Nightwing
  • Red Hood
  • Red Robin
  • Robin

Rogues Gallery

  • Captain Cold
  • Heat Wave
  • Mirror Master

Secret Society of Super-villains

  • Black Adam
  • Black Mask
  • Chemo
  • Clayface
  • Deathstroke
  • Giganta
  • Lex Luthor AW
  • Lex Luthor SSS
  • Man-Bat
  • Metallo
  • Mr. Freeze
  • Parasite
  • Riddler
  • Silver Banshee
  • Two-Face
  • Vandal Savage

Shazam Family

  • Black Adam
  • Freddy Shazam
  • Mary Shazam
  • Shazam


  • Flash
  • Jay Garrick
  • Kid Flash
  • Wally West

Suicide Squad

  • Captain Boomerang
  • Deadshot HG
  • Deadshot SS
  • Enchantress
  • Harley Quinn (MJ)
  • Harley Quinn (QV)
  • Katana
  • Killer Croc
  • Killer Frost

Super Sons

  • Superboy

Superman Revenge Squad

  • Cyborg Superman
  • Livewire


  • Hawkgirl
  • Hawkman


  • Arsenal
  • Beast Boy
  • Blue Beetle
  • Conner Kent
  • Cyborg
  • Donna Troy
  • Kid Flash
  • Miss Martian
  • Nightwing
  • Ravager
  • Raven
  • Robin
  • Starfire
  • Supergirl
  • Terra
  • Wally West
  • Wonder Girl


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2020.09.25 22:16 wb_reeves Atom and Miss Martian join DC Legends!

Atom and Miss Martian join DC Legends!

Hi, Legends!
Atom: The World’s Smallest Hero and Miss Martian: M’gann M’orzz join DC Legends! Along with them are October reworks: Giganta: Colossal Criminal and Mr. Freeze: Heart of Ice.

Working on shrinking technology based on a piece of White Dwarf Star matter, Ray Palmer managed to create a device that allowed him to shrink to an incredibly small size. Even if it started just as scientific research, Ray decided to use his new skills to fight crime and start a superhero career. His adventures have taken him from discovering a tiny alien civilization in the Amazon to being part of the Justice League, and even becoming part of the Indigo Tribe Lanterns.
Using his shrinking power, he assists his allies in microscopic level as well as punching like a bullet.

Born on the planet Mars, M’gann M’orzz is a white martian that was sent away to earth by her parents to avoid the terrible events of the Martian civil war. On the Earth she adopts the appearance of a green martian, haunted by the fear that one day she could succumb to the violent conqueror values of white martian society, M’gann embarks on a heroic career as Miss Martian joining the Titans, where she finds her new and heroic family.
Miss Martian uses great intellect to accumulate power and uses her telepathic powers to help her allies by shielding them against his enemies.

Dying from a terminal illness, Dr. Doris Zuel tried an experimental procedure on herself. While saving herself, she quickly discovered she could now grow to be hundreds of feet tall in a matter of seconds, becoming stronger and tougher as she grew, but also losing her intellect. Embracing her powers and calling herself Giganta, she started a criminal career that would bring her face to face with Wonder Woman and other heroes.
Using her huge size as a distraction, Giganta absorbs enemy damage and shields teammates from harm.

When his wife Nora became terminally ill, Dr. Victor Fries devoted his life to finding a cure. With time running out, he decided to freeze her to buy more time for his research. His boss Ferris Boyle attacked him for stealing company equipment, causing Victor to be exposed to cryogenic chemicals, after which he could only survive in sub-zero temperatures. Wearing his cryo-suit and armed with a freeze gun, he became the criminal Mr. Freeze.
With his expertise in cryonics, Mr. Freeze can extend his own life and drastically slow down enemies.

Miss Martian: M’gann M’orzz (10/5 - 10/11)
Mr. Freeze: Heart of Ice (10/12 - 10/18)
Giganta: Colossal Criminal (10/19 - 10/25)
Atom: The World’s Smallest Hero (10/26 - 11/1)

Cyborg: Vic Stone
Flash: Fastest Man Alive
Harley Quinn: The Mad Jester
Black Adam: Khem-Adam
Hawkgirl: Champion of Thanagar
Green Lantern: John Stewart
Conner Kent: The Boy of Steel
Donna Troy: The First Wonder Girl
Kid Flash: The Fastest Kid Alive
Martian Manhunter: Last of the Martians
Starfire: Warrior Princess from Tamaran
Terra: Troubled Teen Titan
Aqualad: Kaldur'ahm
Blue Beetle: Jaime Reyes
Man-Bat: Dr. Kirk Langstrom
Ravager: Rose Wilson
Kilowog: Green Lantern of Sector 674
Vandal Savage: Vandar Adg
Batman: The Dark Knight
Robin: Damian Wayne
Giganta: Colossal Criminal
Mr. Freeze: Heart of Ice
Hush: Thomas Elliot
Azrael: The Avenging Angel
Miss Martian: M’gann M’orzz
Atom: The World’s Smallest Hero

Thank you for playing DC Legends!
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2020.09.24 17:44 constantine_striker Titans Nightwing vs Netflix Daredevil

Round 1: Season 1 Titans Robin vs Season 1 Netflix Daredevil (black suit)
Round 2: End of Season 2 Titans Nightwing vs Season 2 Daredevil
Round 3: Titans vs The Defenders & Friends
Titans: Nightwing, Raven, Jason Todd, Hawk, Dove, Beast Boy, Donna Troy, Starfire
Defenders: Daredevil, Iron Fist, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Punisher, Elektra, Stick, Hellcat
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2020.09.24 05:54 _drcomicbooknerd_ Nightwing: IN SPACE

I first saw this idea on a comment(either in this sub, or the DC sub), and I was intrigued by it.
The concept is simple. Have Nightwing go to space, and have him go through adventures there. Maybe with Starfire or someone else to help him navigate.
I feel like Nightwing shined best in the 80s(and also the 90s) when he wasn't part of the Bat-brand, and he was just "Nightwing, the leader of the Teen Titans". Afterwards, he became part of the Batlabel again, and he's just generic Robin #1. Obviously he's more complex than that, but writers can't seem to grasp that. Simply put: Dick Grayson doesn't shine when he's surrounded by the Batfamily.
So I was thinking, let's throw Nightwing back into his element, or better yet, a completely new one. I think it'd be really cool. Have him pilot a ship where he goes on adventures in space, making friends, enemies, and having an impact on the DC Universe.
It'd be really cool seeing him meet other Lanterns, maybe some bounty hunters, or even just other world's Superheroes.
Since they have different types of martial arts in space, he could probably train to get stronger there. There probably a ton of wild gadgets he could find to upgrade his arsenal too.
I think this could work especially well if he has a small team to lead. Maybe Starfire, Beast Boy, Kyle Rayner, and either Donna Troy or Supergirl.
Leave thoughts in the comments.
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2020.09.19 21:45 MiracleAlien Batman and the Robins vs The Titans. Who can get either Dickbabs or DickFire to happen?

So there is a thing in DCcomics where the community is divided into having a preferred ship "Dickbabs" (Nightwing and Barbara Gordon) or the hilariously named "DickFire" (Nightwing and Starfire). There are some smaller camps (DickCat, DickHunter, MidnightDick, the TV only Birds pair, Dickfacer ect), but these are the two big ones.
So I have brought it to you, the people.
Batman and the Robins as it turns out has been hardcore shipping Dick and Barbara, while the Titans always wanted him to get back together with Starfire.
They will do anything to get their way.

Team Dickbabs:
Team Dickfire:

R1: They won't do any explicit manipulation barring like arranging situations for them to get together
R2: They will explicitly manipulate them to get them together
R3: They will straight up try to mind control them together
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2020.09.19 15:57 djnevahwen Season 3 Theory: Jason Todd becoming Red Hood will be a direct result from the aftermath of Crisis On Infinite Earths

During the Titans DC Fandome panel, it was announced by Titans executive producer Greg Walker that Jason Todd will become the Red Hood in season 3, while it is exciting to see Jason become the Red Hood the question is, how will he become the Red Hood in season 3? Well i have a good idea on how this will happen and it's from a major event that shook the DC Universe to its core, Crisis On Infinite Earths!
(Spoilers from the Crisis On Infinite Earths crossover follow):
In Part 1 of Crisis On Infinite Earths, it's revealed that Titans is set on Earth-9 in the live action DC Multiverse, as it showed Hank Hall and Jason Todd looking up at the Red Skies as the Anti-Matter wave consumed them as the Anti-Monitor destroys their world. In Part 5 of Crisis On Infinite Earths after Oliver Queen made the ultimate sacrifice in Part 4 as The Spectre, he rebooted the multiverse and when the new multiverse is shown Earth-9 is one of the restored Earths that Oliver Queen brought back. Now when they showed Earth-9 in Part 5, the crossover used archival footage from Season 2 possibly letting us the audience know that Season 2 takes place after the events of Crisis, that might not be the case because the actors said in various interviews that they weren't interested in filming new scenes for Crisis so they used unused footage from the original Season 1 finale and reedit it to make it part of the story of Crisis in Part 1 and use footage from Season 2 in Part 5 as a way to show us the audience that Earth-9 was restored when the multiverse was rebooted.
So now this is where the events of Season 3 come in and how Jason Todd becomes the Red Hood, since Season 3 is confirmed to be set in Gotham their might be an episode that focuses on Jason and how he transforms into the Red Hood, so this episode begins with Jason wherever he is and it's late at night and he falls a sleep and has a nightmare and this nightmare happens to be set on the night that Crisis occurred, as we see the Titans POV of the Crisis through Jason's eyes it all feels very real to him as if he thinks this really happened then when his nightmare ends with the scene shown in Crisis On Infinite Earths Part 1 with him and Hank being consumed by Anti-Matter something appears to him either it being Oliver Queen of Earth-Prime as The Spectre or an unknown figure coming to Jason and restore his Pre Crisis memories with the same tech that Cisco Ramon and Martian Manhunter of Earth-Prime created (as shown in the Arrow episode "Green Arrow and the Canneries") and when Jason wakes up from his nightmare he remembers everything including the night when Crisis occurred and that he already died (and this where Titans will put their own unique spin on how Jason becomes Red Hood as compared to the source material) so after experiencing this nightmare and having his Pre and Post Crisis memories restored it drives him mad as he sheds his Robin identity and becomes Red Hood and his first targets as Red Hood are his old teammates the Titans. So this is my theory on how Jason Todd becomes Red Hood in Season 3 and i also think Season 3 of Titans will kick off with things looking different than the past 2 seasons and that will all be a direct result from the events of Crisis On Infinite Earths and i think that characters who were killed off in the past 2 seasons like Donna Troy, Deathstroke, Garth and Jericho will be brought back from the dead as a direct result from the events of the Crisis.
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2020.09.10 05:16 MiracleAlien Can Nightwing take down the Titans?

Dick Grayson has made it his life's mission to not be his fathementor Batman. As a result, he has never made any attempt to have any kind of contingency plans, secret monitoring devices or any other violations of privacy for an advantage.
Well fate's a dick and after an encounter with Psimon, the rest of the Titans have become evil and he has to take them down one by one.
He's got to do this on his own and can't go to any bat family member for help. He can use the cave as a resource though.

R1: Roy Harper
R2: Beast Boy
R3: Starfire
R4: Cyborg
R5: Donna Troy
R6: Kid Flash
R7: Raven

Bonus: Nightwing gets his adoptive Robin brothers to help out (Jason, Damian, Duke, and Tim)
Bonus 2: Nightwing gets the Batgirls help (Barbara, Cassandra and Stephanie)
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2020.09.08 23:32 AcroyearOfSPartak The Redhood's story-arc in Countdown to Final Crisis

This has been bugging me for the longest time and I haven't really heard it addressed. In Countdown to Final Crisis, Donna Troy, Kyle Rayner and Jason Todd go on a world-hopping journey, dealing with various threats and at first not really being a cohesive team because neither of them likes or trusts Jason. Jason, of the three, is the most flawed and obnoxious and is also beaten up and even humiliated throughout the storyline.
Writer Paul Dini says that of all the characters, Jason Todd is the most important one to the story because he has the most to gain, given where he is in his life. They keep teasing that something meaningful and transformative will happen to Jason, a pay-off for readers who were rooting for him throughout the series but were constantly frustrated by the way he constantly came up short. He even runs into an alternate version of himself who has become Batman and who crushes him in hand-to-hand combat. Finally, he transforms into Red Robin after meeting a disillusioned alternate-reality Batman and then witnessing his murder. He seems to have found a renewed purpose and readers are lead to believe there will be a change in the comic, a growth and maturation in Jason.
Instead, he ends the series just where he started, as a murderous criminal, discarding the outfit and also showing no bond or attachment to Donna or Kyle, whom he'd been teamed with for the whole series.
What was the point...and am I the only one who was annoyed by that whole affair...? It was like there was no reason whatsoever to read Countdown to Infinite Crisis at all...unless you like seeing Jason Todd kicked around. For a legendary writer like Paul Dini, I'd definitely expect better and I keep thinking that editorial must have thrown him some sort of directives to leave Jason where he was at during the crossover's beginning. But I've never really seen any criticism of the series online or any talk of what happened. I know that Dick Grayson's death was planned with Final Crisis and I keep wondering if that was part of why Jason's story arc was derailed and turned into a meandering mess.
Anyone know anything about this or have any thoughts?
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2020.09.08 01:01 hypotheticalbattles New 52/ comics Starfire vs Beast Boy

Starfire is a Tamaranean and as such her physiology is designed to constantly absorb ultraviolet radiation. The radiation is then converted to pure energy, allowing her to fly at supersonic speeds. Originally, Starfire was capable of using this power to fly in space and even go fast enough to cross several solar systems in minutes to seconds. However, it is established in Red Hood and the Outlaws #2 and #27 that C rebooted Starfire is unable to fly without the effects of gravity, leaving her unable to travel in space unaided. This energy also gives her incredible superhuman strength and durability. This strength, combined with her fighting skills, allowed her to defeat the powerful Donna Troy about two out of three times during purely hand to hand matches. She later proved strong enough to fight against Wonder Woman for a certain period of time and, during a fit of rage, was so strong that Donna Troy was unable to contain her without the help of Mon-El, in the 2003 TV series, she was strong enough to easily throw vehicles and destroy entire streets with her blows. After being experimented on by the alien Psions, Starfire gained the ability to release her absorbed energy into incredibly powerful blasts called "starbolts."
As shown in the "Insiders" crossover story arc (Teen Titans and Outsiders), Starfire can also release nearly all of her stored energy as a powerful Omni-directional explosive burst, many times stronger and more powerful than her standard blasts. The released energy leaves her in a weakened state.She's also shown that she can consciously absorb ambient Ultraviolet and Solar Energy in order to weaken a Kryptonian's physical abilities. Starfire also demonstrated more control over her powers in the New 52 reboot, having used her internal energy to melt the metal of Jason Todd's gun when it came into contact with her skin. Starfire, and all Tamaraneans, are capable of assimilating languages through physical contact with another person. When Starfire attempts to do so with a male, she typically does so by kissing because it is "more fun" for her. Starfire is also proficient in hand-to-hand combat, having been trained by the Warlords of Okaara. She also doesn't need to eat, drink, sleep and doesn't require an atmosphere to breathe, though she has to if she is low on ultraviolet energy

Beast Boy has the ability to morph and transform into any animal that he has seen himself or has seen in an illustration (as is the case when he shapeshifts into an animal such as an extinct dinosaur or a funny animal).[6][7] These transformations took only a second and Beast Boy has demonstrated that he is capable of rapidly changing his form with little or no effort expended. As a corollary to this power, he can transform back into his default form if an external force like magic transforms him into an animal. His power enables him to completely alter his body mass, being able to take the shape of animals far larger and heavier than himself, such as an elephant, a hippopotamus, or a Tyrannosaurus rex (though until recent stories, such larger forms would physically exhaust him), or smaller and lighter animals such as mice, arachnids and insects. As a result of his rapidly changing genetic structure and mass, Beast Boy has an increased healing factor comparable to that of the Creeper) and Deathstroke, allowing him to heal from bullet wounds, burns, and broken bones in a matter of seconds, and in some story lines regrow entire limbs. He cannot change or return to a form if the space he occupies is too small and he cannot normally break the confines (as seen when he attempts to transform into a Tyrannosaurus Rex underneath a bridge and hits his head, instantly aborting the transformation). His power also enables him to radically alter his body structure and take forms of animals without limbs, like snakes, or those without skeletons like a jellyfish. In two notable instances, he has even taken the form of multiple individuals simultaneously (once as a swarm of fireflies, and again as a mass of barnacles). In another comic he was seen to take on the form of what appeared to be a green version of Beast) from X-Men.
Beast Boy's transformations have not been limited to Earth life forms. When on a rescue mission in the Vegan system to free Starfire), he easily transformed into a Gordanian, one of the green-skinned alien warriors native to the system, in order to sneak Robin and Cyborg onto a warship. In the "Who is Wonder Girl?" story arc, he was able to infiltrate another alien world after being shown a green-skinned creature native to the planet; he had some difficulty with this change, claiming that Earth-animal forms he knew instinctively, but was successful in the transformation. When he pursued Madame Rouge in revenge for her role in killing his foster mother, Rita Farr, he began transforming into creatures that do not even exist, products of his subconscious rage against the villainess.
While an animal, he gains all of the physical abilities, attributes, and characteristics of said animal, such as greatly enhanced superhuman strength (a gorilla), superhuman speed (a cheetah), and enhanced durability (a turtle), and abilities such as flight (various birds), and aquatic breathing (various fish). He can even gain the specific poisons and toxins produced by specific snakes. He also gains the ability to survive or otherwise live in the same hostile environments some animals can, as seen in one comic where he morphs into a parasitic worm to become resistant to the stomach acid and immune system of Brother Blood when he dived into the villain's intestinal tract to retrieve Raven's chakra. While in animal form, Beast Boy retains his human intellect, memories, and the ability to speak. No matter what form he takes, his skin, hair, and eyes remain green, making most of his animal forms easy to distinguish from real animals of that species. (In the DC-Marvel crossover with the X-Men, his attempt to infiltrate Darkseid's forces and stop him from recreating Dark Phoenix, was frustrated by the fact that Darkseid's minions are not green.) In the early comics, his coloration would change to that appropriate to the animal form he had taken, with only his head remaining green.
When Raven implanted Garfield with an evil seed of her father Trigon, he began to transform into more demon-like creatures. Eventually, he found himself more comfortable in these horrific shapes than as a human, and stayed shifted. After becoming completely corrupted by the evil seed, he was used by Raven and Trigon, but eventually returned to normal. Titans #4 reveals that a small part of that seed still remains within him, which Trigon's sons manipulate, using the demonic energies to open the portal to Trigon's realm
I got Beast Boys information from Wikipedia and have looked over and studied.

So who wins?
Well Beast Boy is more durable when it comes to both of these 2 fighting, He can turn into so many creatures that are more durable then the next that Starfire would be having a hard time trying to take him down. Now dont get me wrong Beast Boy is better at durability but Starfire has the best strength. But remember we are not talking about the New 52 version and not the original Teen Titans one, she would win in a second. Beast Boy might can turn into many animals that can be strong, but Starfire is an alien princess that has been taught all the methods. Now another point that goes to Starfire is her speed. She has outclassed Beast boy many ties in speed and she is faster then a jet. Another point that goes to Starfire is her defense methods. With her shaping her starbolts she can blovk every attack he throws at her. Beast Boy have the better array of attacks too. Starfire might have eyeblasts, and starbolts out of her hands, but with the power to turn into any animal he chooses, he hae the best array of attacks at his disposal. Starfire has the best advatages in the skies though. She probably woudent want to fight hand to hand combat and Beast Boy woudent want to fight hand to hand combat but her advantages are her starbolts and her eyeblasts. Starfire has better hand to hand combat too and she has been taught that al of her life thanks to her longevity. Beast Boy is a stealth expertise and that could give him a good advantage if they were fighting hand to hand combat.

So in conclusion
As much as these 2 superheroes are related. Starfire would have the best factors in these.
  1. Hand to hand combat
  2. flight
  3. expert in the skies
  4. speed
  5. defense methods
  6. and strength.
Starfire has also been known to defeat all of her teen titan buddies except for Raven. Starfire is resistant to fire and cold temperatures and that gives her another advantage. Starfire wins because she outclasses Beast Boy in all of the factors and if she goes Nova, Beastboy would have to watch out for starfire. Starfire wins!
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2020.09.03 10:07 stupidlysuper Teen Titans Tantrum. What I think is wrong and how it can be fixed.

First off, quick edit I am sorry for the wall of text. New to reddit and trying to format it to look better.
Some changes need making to Titans now we are getting a bit of a reboot. I have been reading since the New 52 and I know so many problems occurred with that reboot as a whole but the things they tried to do to fix it when it came to Teen Titans just did not work and only caused more problems.
I think there are two main areas that are harming the Teen Titans/Titans franchise. The staleness that comes with the same characters and the mixture of generations with disregard for age. I am first going to focus on the mixture of ages and generations. The way I view things you have characters based in four generations based on each Robin, however I am going to add in a generation called the animation generation of those heroes popularised by the show.
Dick Grayson (Gen 1) - This was the OG sidekick generation and then the earlier additions such as Bumblebee and Mal Duncan.
Animated Generation - Starfire, Cyborg, Beast Boy and Raven.
Jason Todd - I don't know how long he was on the team for but from a quick Google search he died two years after he joined so not much of a generation.
Tim Drake - So Tim is the third generation most known for his grouping but his generation has the second generation of other legacy roles such as Bart and Cassie being the second of their sidekick roles. Superboy was in theory first generation as a sidekick but if you count Superman's time as a Superboy in his youth he is the second.
Damian Wayne - The fourth gen is a mixture of random heroes with Superboy, Kid Flash, Red Arrow and Aqualad all of greatly varying ages but all feeling like they are from the same generation of heroes. I guess now Superboy is aged up but still, its a weird miah mash.
So they are roughly how I would characterise the heroes and what generation they are in. Five generations, four Robins. So when we got to New 52 we got given a Teen Titans of the third gen with Starfire and Cyborg shown as adults in other books and even Beast Boy was shown as being about to be an older teenager with the Ravagers. Not sure where Raven was to start with. They did a soft revamp that placed Raven and Beast Boy in with the third generation which was their first attempt to fix things. So we have the animation generation split wildly with some as adults and some as kids. So it is already stretching continuity and they were clearly placed there as they saw the book wasn't doing well and they wanted us to see people they knew we liked in order to pick it up.
Then came DC Rebirth and we get the fourth gen taking over, however they still want to capitalise off of that animation generation money so we get Raven and Beast Boy stick around for the next generation whilst Starfire is deaged but still the eldest to play the motherly role. So we have the animation generation who were practically apart of Gen 1 now being shown as contemporaries of Gen 4. That's just stretching all attempts as continuity. Instead of just allowing character progress DC wanted their faces to sell the books instead of you know, just creating good books. We then get a soft revamp after No Justice that takes Starfire back up to adulthood and Raven and Beast Boy up to Young Adult status. At least we got some progress, however what then happened leads me to my next point about staleness of the characters.
So again this next point is going to be split into two, there is a staleness around leadership and staleness over the use of characters from the animation generation. So in terms of leadership I am just bored of a Batboy being in charge. If you look at all the Teen Titans/Titans and Young Justice runs that have happened since New 52 I think only Donna Troy taking over as leader of the Titans has given us time without a Batboy in charge, and that only happened because of Nightwing getting shot in a different book. It wasn't natural progression. I think think something different needs to be done in terms of leadership to make things feel fresh. Having the book just be a way to get into the inner workings of a Robin juat isn't cutting it anymore.
Next is the staleness of the animation generation. I know they sell, but they clearly don't create good stories. We had Raven and Beast Boy in three different runs and Starfire in one of the runs. The animation generation have been the biggest part of Titans lore over the last ten years and it hasn't worked. Like I say, it was nice to have Raven and Beast Boy have progression and placed in the Titans after No Justice but it is crazy it took so long for it to happen. But not only were the individual characters themselves stale, they left a lasting impact that just felt stale. After No Justice we got a strong female alien (Starfire/Crush), a female magic user (Raven/Djinn) and a male Shapeshifter (Beast Boy/Roundhouse). It was just the animated lot in disguise and just felt stale, the stories were similar for the most part. At least with the girls. Djinn, like Raven, had a demonic relative whilst Crush, like Starfire, had a villainous relative. So both the leadership and the membership have just been stale for at least since Rebirth. I liked the post No Justice Titans team because we got characters mot usually seen and it felt new. It didn't work out because the desire for it to fold out of No Justice left it with bad stories and what happened to Nightwing didn't help.
So what I would recommend. First thing first brighten it up because it has been so gloomy with Damian in charge. Both the colours have all been dark and the mood has been dark. With the new launch make it. With the new book make it just brighter and I think my recommendations for leadership would so just that.
So I have two ideas for who could be leader and I think some interesting stories could come out of it. My first choice is Supergirl. As far as I am aware she is never really considered a part of Titans lore, I don't know if she has been on the team, but I just think it would be great to bring in someone so far removed from Titans history but still a very noticeable and powerful figure in the universe, both for the characters themselves and for the audience, it would get eyes back on the TT. Supergirl has just recovered from the Secret Six evilness and an interesting decision for her becoming leader is to remind herself she is a hero, and by teaching other heroes she is making herself feel more heroic. Not necessarily the best intentions for why she should be leader but that is something she would come to realise as the story goes on and grows into the leadership role. I think whereas Damian always saw the TT as the next generation of JL, I would want Supergirl to be showing the heroes that being on the TT puts you on the same level. It is the same level and she would work to put the TT on the same level. Both as in terms of fighting huge threats, but she would want the team to do more to help the little man. Work on the smaller scale sometimes.
My other recommendation, and not just because of the show, would be Stargirl. I know she is much more widely associated with JSA and this is very unlikely to happen. But I have this idea of a story where Courtney comes to be a leader of the TT. Due to her time on the JLU back in New 52 I would have her start off with a bloated ego as she considers herself a JL level hero. It isn't helped she has her own sidekick. Over the course of the story she would understand how easy it is having an adult sidekick because leading teenagers is so much harder with the hormones and melodrama. She also would lose respect of the team fairly early when she does pull the JL card and has to earn it back. Stargirl would not have it easy as leader, Supergirl would definitely find it easier, but both have stuff they need to learn from their time as leader. And to reiterate what I said earlier both have bright costume that instantly would brighten up the covers of the books.
If I was to pitch my own TT both would be on it, and it would look like this.
Supergirl - So I would have Supergirl as leader of the team, I think she would be most natural in the role and I do think that it would add some legitamacy to the TT to have a Kryptonian in control of the team.
Stargirl - Again, a lot of what I described earlier could still happen, just not with her as leader. I could see her respecting Supergirl but pulling the JL card on some of the other members.
Blue Beetle - I would carry on from the Rebirth Blue Beetle series where Ted is training Jaime so I would have him finance this team and remove all need for a Bat. I also want this team to have some adult supervision and would love to see a friendship grow between Pat and Ted as they start designing random stuff. But yeah, as much as I would carry on the training storyline I would retcon it back to where the Scarab is alien tech and not magic.
Vibe - I love Vibe and he was one of the few characters to come out of New 52 improved. He had a great new costume, a great book and now a JL member. The fact he then disappeared is frustrating.
Owlwoman - So this is a little known character but as I have tried my hand at writing story ideas in the past and just going through wiki pages of different teams and characters Owlwoman is always one who sticks in my mind. She is from the Global Guardians but I have a feeling she is shown as an adult when they were being used so I would deage her to the point she is the oldest on this team. But she is the most naive and newest to superheroics. Living in Oklahoma and not the major cities where most stuff goes on she has mainly just been helping the community and stopping muggings rather than any big supervillains stuff.
Crush - Now I know I said these characters are stale but I think only having one and away from formula would help. And what is crazy is I don't even like Crush that much still, but I think there potential and I think it always helps to have a character on the team you don't necessarily like. I also would have Crush become best friends with Supergirl, who Crush would respect so much more than Damian, and then have Superman and Lobo disapprove of it so much.
Aqualad - I was gutted when the first Rebirth run got cut shortly after he joined. I think he is a great character and you need at least one character who represents any of the OG sidekick characters
Other charactera I would have join or rejoin are: Bunker, Red Arrow, Equinox, Kid Flash, Jakeem Thunder, Offspring and Phantom Girl.
Now I know this team could encounter some problems because Supergirl is sort of a 1st gen character and could cause the sort of problems that I described the animation generation as having done over the last ten years but I think Supergirl is so widely seperated from other Teen heroes is might work out. It helps that most of the other heroes are widely removed still. Stargirl is shown as being so young because she has associated with mainly adults that will help people's mental image of her being a teenager. Blue Beetle is a relatively newer character so has never had a chance to age, Vibe is shown as around 18/19 most of the time and died in his original stories so never been seen as an adult. Again, I don't know about Owlwoman but she is so hardly known it wouldn't matter. And then Crush and Aqualad are shown as being part of this newest generation so that would not cause any problems.
I really think this team just adds much needed brightness and colour to a book that has been so dark and dreary. The staleness is removed but I have done it without creating any new characters and using characters who are well known, well liked (minus Crush and Owlwoman) but still have the potential to have new stories and earn new fans. The team is still powerful and can get to situations that the Justice League would get to. They have four fliers, a teleporter and someone who swims extremely fast. This isn't a bunch of teens who practically only have running available to them unless they use tech. The stories have a variation in potential due to where each of the characters come from as well.
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2020.09.02 20:08 ProbablyTheWurst A complete rewrite of Titans Season 2

Problems with Season 2 of Titans

So the second season of Titans was a bit of a mess structurally for a lot of reasons but I think most of the issues come from the retconning of the Dick’s older Titan's team (that of Aqualad, Donna Troy, Dove + Hawk and Jericho) into existence. This resulted in the characters we spent the last season (Rachel, Gar, and Kory) getting to know being shoved to the side as whole episodes are dedicated to the flashbacks of the old team. The solution to this seems kind of simple, take most of the plot that occurred through flashbacks (ie Jericho’s story) and put in the present.
The other issue from this season came from the cramming of multiple disconnected story arcs into one season which made much of the season’s poor pacing even worse so for the purpose of this rewrite we are cutting Connor’s arc entirely and using Kory’s family drama as the B plot, however rather than having it be explained through clunky exposition we can let the reveals about her background occur more slowly throughout the series.

The changes

As you may have noticed, a few of the changes focused on streamlining areas of the plot and as result the plot I came up with ended up only needing seven episodes to tell. I worked with the basic structure of each scene taking up around five to ten minutes, although with some variation depending on whether it was an action or dialog heavy scene, and tried to fit the each plot into a 40-50 minute episode. I think there are still a few issues, for instance Kory ends up getting left in the background for most of episode 5 and 6.
I’ve also put a TL;DR at the end of each episode’s plot because I get that walls of text aren't that easy to read 😊

The new plot

Episode 1 – “The Judas Contract”

We start with a recap of the previous season before cutting to the title.
The Titans, Donna, Hank and Dawn are all preparing to go their separate ways after the previous season’s fight with Trigon. Donna asks Dick where he and the other Titans are planning on going next. When Dick responds he’s not sure she suggests going to Gotham and making his peace with Bruce to which Dick agrees. Donna also offers Kory the chance to come with her to investigate her past but Kory refuses saying her place is with Dick, Rachel and Gar. Jason joins them to get a free ride back to Gotham. They part with Hank, Dawn and Donna on friendly terms. The camera pans away to a mysterious figure hiding in the trees photographing them all.
We cut to San Francisco where Slade Wilson is enjoying a normal family meal with his wife, Adeline, and mute son, Jericho. The doorbell rings and Adeline answers it to be greeted by Wintergreen and another man in a suit. She calls Slade through, shooting him a slightly upset look as he passes. The three men head into Slade’s private office. The man in the suit introduces himself as Sebastian Blood and hints at being a surviving member of Trigon’s cult who want Slade to kill the Titans and their accomplices as revenge for their victory against Trigon in the first season. When Slade sees the photographs of Rachel and Gar, he tells Sebastian that he doesn’t kill children who responds that he wants Rachel and Gar brought to him alive. He also gives Slade a lead on one of his targets: Donna Troy who’s working as an artist in Chicago. During the conversation we cut to outside the office where we see Jericho listening in before his mother catches him and shoos him away from the door.
We go back to Dick and the gang enjoying their road trip to Gotham. As they drive, they pass by two trucks stopped at the side of the road. Dick asks if the truckers need any help, but they act shifty and refuse. Gar’s enhanced senses discover that the trucks are crammed full of people who are very scared. Deducing that the truckers are human traffickers the Titans decide to intervene, and a short action scene occurs in which the Titans defeat the traffickers and free the victims inside. During the fight both Rachel and Kory accidentally kill some of the traffickers due to Rachel’s lack of control and the nature of Kory’s powers. Jason’s bloodlust also gets the better of him and he ends up severely injuring one of the traffickers much to Dick’s disgust. Gar doesn’t join the fight but instead focuses on freeing the victims.
Afterwards as the gang rest for the night at a motel, Gar, Rachel and Jason discuss the fight with Rachel being visibly shaken after her lack of control over her powers led to man being killed. Gar connects with her, saying how he’s afraid of letting his animal instincts take over and thus is reluctant about transforming. Jason laughs at both them, saying they’re being weak, and that fighting is the one time he feels he can let go of any restraints and feel truly free. In a separate room Dick chastises Kory for her own lack of control and she angrily asks him about “why does he care so much about whether a few bad guys die”. Dick then explains to her about his past with Batman and Bruce’s one rule. As they talk about his history Dick asks Kory if she’s remembered anymore of her past yet and she states she only has flashes of memory from her time on her home world of Tamaran.
We then move to Chicago as Donna returns to her apartment where Slade, in full Deathstroke gear, has been lying in wait. He ambushes Donna and the two fight until Slade is able to overpower her. He briefly interrogates her about the location of the other Titans but she refuses and tells Slade that if he kills her they will come and avenge her. Slade laughs and tells her he’s counting on it, before killing Donna. We end the episode on Slade, exhausted after the fight, removing his mask to reveal his face.

Episode 2 – “Titans Hunt”

We start with a flashback of Dick as Robin and Batman encountering and fighting Deathstroke before cutting to the title.
Dick and the Titans are enjoying breakfast at a diner not far from the motel they stayed at. On his laptop Gar has excitedly been playing a clip from the news about the rescue of the trafficking victims in the previous episode. Their elation is interrupted when the news switches to the story of the murder of artist Donna Troy in her apartment in Chicago. The gang quickly leave determined to reach Chicago and discover the culprit behind their friend’s death.
Cut to Chicago O’Hare Airport where Slade is phoning his wife, Adeline, explaining that he will be away longer than expected but that he has help coming to assist him with his “work”. Adeline will say that Jericho misses him, and Slade promises to try and be around more. He hangs up and we see Slade’s other child, Rose (with both eyes intact), approaching him. Slade gives her the task of watching Donna’s apartment for anyone suspicious snooping around it. Rose expresses frustration at the mundanity of her assignment and tells Slade that he underestimates her skills to which Slade replies that she underestimates her own arrogance.
The Titans arrive in Chicago and head for Donna’s apartment with Dick flashing his Detroit PD badge to get them past the police. As they investigate the apartment Kory discovers several maps, one of which marks the spot in Austria where she killed the gangsters in the first season. Gar’s enhanced senses begin to pick up something strange and he quietly lets Dick know that he thinks there’s someone else in the flat. After a little more probing Jason discovers Rose spying on them. The two briefly fight, we get a demonstration of Rose’s healing ability. While Rose is able to get some hits in against Jason she is no match for Kory and Dick who corner her against a window and demand to know who she is and what’s she doing there but before they can get any answers from her she jumps through the window. They rush forward expecting to see her body on the road below but discover she has vanished.
The Titans then leave to go to Bruce Wayne’s Chicago headquarters to recuperate. Dick, stating that anyone able to kill Donna must treated as a serious threat, orders the younger Titans to train. During this training scene we once again see that both Gar and Rachel are afraid of using their powers while Jason can’t control his bloodlust and ends up hurting Gar. Kory shows Dick the maps she took from Donna’s apartment and they deduce that Donna may have been tracking alien or Tamaranean activity. Dick suggests that this might be the reason why Donna was killed but Kory isn’t sure as the girl they fought in her apartment didn’t seem like a Tamaranean. One of the maps has a spot marked not far from Chicago and Kory suggests that she goes and investigates. Dick is unhappy about losing one of their strongest fighters but eventually agrees.
We cut to outside the Chicago headquarters where both Slade and Rose are watching the Titans from a nearby building. Rose asks if Slade is going to kill them, to which Slade grunts “some of them.” Rose asks to join Slade, but he refuses chastising her for almost getting caught earlier and saying that Rose would slow him down.
Kory arrives at the spot on marked on Donna’s map, a lake in the middle of a forest. Looking around she notices that several rows of trees have been crushed and figures out that something large must have crashed in the lake. She dives in to investigate further. Within the lake Kory discovers a Tamaranean space shuttle and melts through the hull to reach inside where she discovers Faddei, trapped in stasis in a life support system. When Kory see’s Faddei’s face she suddenly gets a flashback to her life on Tamaran where Faddei served as a guard to the royal family. She retrieves Faddei from the lake and is able to wake him up however he is delirious saying vaguely that he came to warn her. He also tells Kory she should never have come here as a group of Tamaraneans suddenly ambush the two. Kory attempts to fight back but is quickly overpowered and knocked unconscious.
We cut to night-time in Bruce Wayne’s Chicago headquarters where most of the Titans are sleeping. Dick, however, can’t sleep and heads to training room. After a few minutes of training he hears a voice say, “I see you’ve improved, Boy Wonder.” Dick spins around and sees Deathstroke emerge from the shadows. The two recognise each other from Dick’s time as Batman’s sidekick. When Dick asks why Deathstroke has come he responds that he’s “here on business.” The two fight, the sound of their battle wakens the other Titans who join in. Slade is able to easily hold his own against them all and is able to quickly incapacitate Jason. Gar transforms into a tiger, briefly taking Slade by surprise but he recovers and knocks Gar out with a tranquilliser dart. Seeing two of her friends so quickly knocked down a scared Rachel loses control unleashing her full power against Deathstroke, destroying a large part of the training room in the process. Slade retreats and escapes from the building, leaving the Titans battered and exhausted after the fight.

Episode 3 – “Family Business”

The pre-titles scene shows a flashback of the Wilson family having their home invaded by Slade’s enemies and the events that led to Jericho’s throat being cut and his loss of speech.
The Titans are recovering from the last episode’s fight as Dick explains who Deathstroke is: a highly skilled genetically enhanced mercenary whose real name is Slade Wilson. Thanks to Bruce Wayne’s extensive intelligence network they have the location of Slade’s mansion in San Francisco. Jason argues that since they know where he lives they should go there and take revenge against Deathstroke but Dick reminds him its more complicated than that and that they need to find out who hired him in the first place and right now Slade is their only lead. Dick then notes that Slade has a son who they can use to get to him and find out who his employers are. Rachel and Gar are opposed to the idea of using Slade’s family against him with Rachel reminding Dick that Kory would also be against going after someone’s family however Dick argues that its only plan they have to tracking down who wants the Titans dead. They all agree to head to San Francisco
We then cut to Slade and Rose driving to the compound to the Church of Blood, the pro-Trigon organisation led by Sebastian Blood. The compound, located near Chicago, resembles a picturesque suburban American town, surrounded by high walls. The town has a Stepford wives-esque 1950s model town feel to it. In the centre of the town is a church with a large statue of Trigon outside. Slade finds Blood within the church and angrily demands to know why he wasn’t informed that his targets included metahumans. Blood shrugs off Slade’s questions and seems instead more interested in Rose, telling Slade the Church would be interested in studying his daughter’s abilities, causing Rose to shudder in disgust. Slade tells Blood that he expects his payment to be doubled as compensation for fighting other metahumans. Blood refuses, telling Slade he will able aptly rewarded once Trigon has returned and conquered the planet. Slade, sceptical of Blood’s fanaticism, tells him to find another mercenary and abandons his contract. As Slade and Rose drive off, Rose expresses unhappiness with Slade’s decisions stating that the two of them easily could have defeated a few young metahumans. Slade responds that it is “not always worth risking everything to prove you can do something.” When Rose asks what does Slade have to risk, he smiles and asks her if she would like to meet her brother.
We then move to Kory who awakes to find herself captured by the Tamaraneans she encountered in the previous episode who begin interrogating her, asking what she’s doing on Earth and if she’s planning on overthrowing “the queen”. Kory, still suffering for partial amnesia, is confused by the latter question but seeing one Tamaranean, whose face has been severely burned, leads to a flashback in which we see Kory in a car chase in Austria with the same Tamaranean and the crash that led to her amnesia.
We then cut to San Francisco where the Titans are spying on Jericho at a records shop. Rachel again voices her concerns about involving Jericho, but Dick shuts her down again saying that this is their only plan. Jason argues that Dick’s plan is too slow and that they should ambush Deathstroke and interrogate him directly about his employers. Dick angrily tells Jason to stop thinking with his fists and start thinking his head which causes Jason to impulsively leave the others saying he’s not good at making friends anyway.
Gar and Dick approach Jericho and, like in the original series, strike up a conversation about the record he’s looking at, with Dick translating for Jericho. They invite Jericho out for lunch, and we get scene of the Titans acting like normal people. Rachel and Jericho are able to connect over their troubled history with their parents. Dick notes that a band whose album Jericho was buying have a concert nearby and asks if Jericho’s going. Jericho responds he would usually go with his Dad but he’s currently away on a “business” trip. Dick says they have tickets and invites Jericho to come along with them to which Jericho readily agrees and they exchange phone numbers. When Gar asks how Dicks going to get tickets at such short notice, he replies “perks of having a billionaire foster father.”
We the end the episode with an action sequence that sees Kory overpowering and escaping the Tamaraneans and rescuing a weak and barely conscious Faddei.

Episode 4 – “Deathtrap”

The pre titles scene features a flashback of Kory’s life on Tamaran, right before she is sent to Earth to stop Trigon. We see Kory interact with Faddei and her family along with sister, Blackfire with whom she has a hostile relationship with.
After the titles we go back to the Wilson family home, where Jericho and Adeline, are preparing dinner when Slade arrives with his daughter Rose whom he introduces to his wife and son. We then see a rather awkward dinner between the family in which Adeline informs Slade that Jericho has made some new friends and is going to a concert with them tomorrow. Slade is happy for his son but is a little surprised since going to music gigs together was “their thing” and Adeline replies that “we all have to deal with a surprise once in a while” referring to Rose. We cut to after the dinner where Rose and Jericho are cleaning up and Rose apologises if she’s caused unnecessary drama within the family. Jericho signs to her not to worry and that he’s always wanted a sibling. The two give each other an awkward hug.
Rose leaves to take out the trash but is ambushed and restrained by Jason, dressed in his Robin costume. He briefly tries to force Rose to help him enter the house but she’s able to throw Jason off. The two wrestle and fight briefly while exchanging flirtatious insults before the commotion draws out Adeline. Jason is able to escape before anyone else sees him. When Adeline asks about the noise Rose tells her it was just a raccoon though Adeline doesn’t seem to believe her.
We cut to Kory and Faddei recovering from their escape from the Tamaraneans. Kory’s memories begin to come back to her, and she questions Faddei about her life on Tamaran. Faddei confirms that she was indeed royalty on Tamaran and states that he has to Earth to retrieve Kory so she can overthrow her sister who has killed Kory’s parents and taken the throne for herself. The Tamaraneans who captured them were loyal to Blackfire who sent them to stop Faddei and kill Kory. Kory receives a call from Dick and the two briefly catch each other up before Dick tells her to come to San Francisco. Faddei is unhappy and tells Kory they need to go to Los Angeles instead although he’s unclear as to why.
We then go to the other Titans who are sleeping in one of Bruce’s safehouses in San Francisco as Jason tries to sneak his way back in. Dick catches him and asks him where’s he’s been. Jason lies and says he was out stopping a burglary. Dick doesn’t believe him and demands Jason be honest with him. Jason angrily responds that Dick isn’t Batman and he’s not Dick’s sidekick and the two argue waking both Gar and Rachel.
The next morning Dick, Gar and Rachel goes to pick up Kory and Faddei. When they meet there’s clearly some competition between the Dick and Faddei, which increases when Faddei again insists they go to Los Angeles but Kory replies that she’s owes it to Donna to find out who wanted them dead. However, when she hears Dick’s plan to use Jericho to get Deathstroke to reveal who his clients are she’s shocked. She asks Dick what they will do if Deathstroke calls their bluff and Dick gives an unsatisfactory answer. They drop Faddei off at the safehouse and go collect Jericho to take him to the concert. Inside the safehouse Faddei finds Jason sitting on the couch watching TV in his pyjamas still angry from the argument the night before. Faddei joins him silently.
The Titans go to collect Jericho from his house, however Slade answers door. Recognising Dick and the rest of the Titans Slade tells Jericho to go back inside while he has a “chat with his friends”. Once he thinks Jericho’s out of earshot, he demands to know what they are doing at his house. Dick threatens to tell Jericho about who Slade really is unless Slade reveals who hired him to kill them. Reluctantly Slade gives Dick the name “Sebastian Blood” and says that he knows Blood is in San Francisco looking for Rachel. As Dick turns to leave Slade promises Dick that if the Titans ever come close to his family again, he will hunt them down and kill them slowly. Unbeknown to all them Jericho has been listening in on the entire conversation.
Using Bruce’s intelligence network, the Titans are able to determine Blood’s location and track him down, incapacitating his security, tying Blood up and throwing him in the truck of their car. As they leave Dick checks his phone and discovers that Jericho has texting him messages like “help” and “where are you” repeatedly. Rachel and Kory, worried that Dick’s actions may have left Jericho in danger demand they go back and check on him.
We cut back to the Wilson family home, where Adeline, Rose and Slade are arguing with Jericho in the next room listening. Adeline is upset that once again Slade’s work has entered their private life while Rose, furious that the Titans have threatened her new family, begs Slade to let her track down and kill the Titans. When Slade once again refuses her, saying she isn’t ready Rose takes one of Slade’s knives and cuts out her left eye to prove her dedication to him. She keeps the knife in her eye socket to prevent her healing factor from recovering her eye. Soon afterwards Jericho bursts throw the door and demands to know the truth about his father. Before Slade can explain Jericho see’s Rose’s mutilated face and in shock runs outside just as the Titans arrive.
Slade, seeing the Titans at his house again, grabs his swords and prepares to engage with Titans with Rose doing likewise. Adeline, going back to her comic roots as an expert military combat instructor, picks up a gun and attempts to defend her home from the Titans. The Wilsons and the Titans fight with Jericho caught in the middle. Eventually Deathstoke is able to land a critical strike on Dick, stabbing him just below his shoulder. In shock at seeing Dick get incapacitated Rachel once again loses control of her powers which lead to the house collapsing on top of Slade, Rose and Jericho. The Titans are able to escape, with Kory and Gar having to drag Dick’s injured body away from the wreckage of the house. When they get back to their vehicle, they discover that Blood has escaped.

Episode 5 – “Titans Plague”

The pre-titles scene shows Wilson crawling from the rubble of the Wilson home, the wounds on his body healing as he frees himself. He uncovers the body of his son, Jericho.
After the titles we cut to a medical room within the San Francisco safehouse where Dick is recovering from the wound Deathstroke gave him during the fight. Gar comes to visit him and jokingly asks Dick if he regrets burning his old Robin Armour, referring to his injury he took as a result of being unarmoured. We learn that none of the other Titans have come to visit Dick since the fight and Dick asks Gar if they blame him for Jericho’s death. Gar replies that Rachel blames herself and Kory blames Dick for getting Jericho involved in the first place. Gar also says that each time he transforms and fights as a tiger he feels as though he’s losing control over his animal impulses and he’s scared of losing his humanity entirely. Dick replies that perhaps he was wrong to try and make the Titans into a team.
After the conversation Dick confronts the Titans, giving them the opportunity to air their grievances with his leadership. The scene plays out similar to how it does in the original show with all the Titans leaving and Dick ending up alone in the safehouse. Kory agrees to accompany Faddei to Los Angeles, Jason leaves to head back to Gotham and Gar and Rachel decide to try their luck on the streets. Dick tells them both to be careful as the Blood is still out there looking for Rachel.
After the other Titans have left Dick, still feeling guilty about Jericho’s death, goes back to the Wilson house seeking closure. The whole area is swarming with cops, but Dick is able to get through using his police badge. There he finds Adeline who is grieving both the loss of her son and her husband who she believes is also dead. Dick goes to speak to Adeline trying to apologise for Jericho’s death, but Adeline refuses to forgive Dick and calls for help, telling the police that Dick murdered her son. Dick reacts defensively to the first cops who approaches him, knocking them unconscious but accepts his fate as penance for Jericho’s death and allows himself to be arrested.
We cut to Gar and Rachel at a soup kitchen. There they strike up a conversation with another young girl whom they notice has severe bruising around her eye. They ask her what happened and after some probing the girl tells them that her father beats her. This angers Rachel who asks the girl to take them to her father, telling her that “dealing with bad fathers is my speciality.” The girl eventually agrees and leads Rachel and Gar to an alleyway where they are both shot with tranquillisers darts by Deathstroke hiding in the shadows. The girl takes off her disguise to reveal herself to be Rose.
We then go back to Dick who has been incarcerated at the Kane County Correctional Facility for his assault of a police officer. As in the original show a prison guard attempts to recruit Dick as an informant and when he refuses, he goes placed into a shared cell with former cartel members Santos, Luis and Rafael.
We move to Kory and Faddei travelling to Los Angeles. Faddei asks a despondent Kory if she’s okay and they talk about how she feels about leaving Dick and the Titans behind. Faddei tries to comfort her by saying she’s made the right choice and that she belongs with her own people. Kory then asks why they’re going to LA and Faddei reveals that when he was captured, he overhead some of the Blackfire’s loyalist Tamaraneans mention a location in outside LA where they had landed their spaceship. Faddei plans on using their spaceship to return back to Tamaran.
We cut to Jason who is preparing to board a plane back to Gotham. He gets pulled of the aeroplane by a guard and led into a separate room where he’s shocked to see Rose wating for him. Jason attempts to fight her, but Rose and the guard incapacitate Jason. The guard reveals himself to be a disguised Slade Wilson.
Jason awakens, tied up in the trunk of a car. The car comes to a stop and Jason is roughly pulled out by Slade and forced into a cage within a warehouse that Slade and Rose are using as a base of operations. There, Jason see’s Rachel and Gar in separate cages. They are able to briefly catch each other up on what happened before a truck pulls into the warehouse and out steps Sebastian Blood along with other members of the Church of Blood. They hand Slade a briefcase full of money and begin loading Rachel and Gar’s cages onto their trucks. When Jason begins to shout in protest, Blood asks about him. Slade tells him to ignore Jason saying, “he’s just a psychopath in a mask”. We end them episode with Rose looking disturbed by her father’s callousness.

Episode 6 – “Resurrection”

In the pre-title’s sequence shows a flashback of Slade first meeting Rose, who is around 14 and living with her mother in New York. When her mother tells Slade Rose is his daughter, he demands she proves it and hands Rose a knife. She cuts open her palm which immediately heals. Slade smiles and offers Rose the chance to come with him and find out “who she really is.” Despite her mother’s protests Rose agrees and leaves with Slade.
After the titles we see Gar experimented on by the Church of Blood as they attempt to brainwash him into a weapon they can use.
We cut to Rachel who can hear the sounds of Gar’s experimentation from her cell within the Church of Blood compound. A collar has placed around her neck. She is visited by Sebastian Blood who explains that even though Rachel destroyed Trigon the Church of Blood believe they can resurrect him by sacrificing Rachel and that the Church of Blood is gathering all its members from around the world to the compound to witness Rachel’s sacrifice. Rachel attempts to attack Blood with her powers but her collar glows dampening her powers and causing her pain. Blood laughs at her and leaves.
We then move onto Dick in prison entering the prison yard watching his cellmates play dominoes on a picnic table. One of them, Santos, glances up at the guards on the wall and the departing transport van, and Dick notices. When Dick walks past, Santos asks if they have a problem and notes that Dick keeps watching him and the others. As Dick returns to his cell, he sees one of the prison gang bosses and his men beating up Santos. Dick ducks back out of sight as the Cartel boss tells Santos to kill Dick as he’s a former cop and in exchange the cartel will forgive Santos and his brothers for their “betrayal.”
We then move to our 4th captured titan; Jason who is being tortured by Slade over the whereabouts of Dick and Kory. He begins by passing a scanner over Jason and using a knife, pulls out a tracker out of both of Jason’s arms. Jason is able to hold out against the torture and taunts Slade over the loss of his son but eventually passes out. Rose intervenes, pointing out that Jason had nothing to do with Jericho’s death. Slade dismisses her concerns and states that his plan is to break Jason and then use him as bait to draw out the remaining Titans. Rose once again seems disturbed by her father’s cruelty.
We cut back to Rachel who is curled up in a corner in her cell, resigned to her fate. She hears her name being whispered by an unfamiliar voice but doesn’t see anyone when she looks up. When she hears her name whispered again, she looks up and reaches out with her powers despite the pain caused by the collar. Gradually an apparition of Jericho appears before her. She attempts to hug Jericho but of course passes straight through him. At first, she thinks Jericho is a hallucination but Jericho is able to convince her that he is real and deduces that when he died some of Rachel’s powers flowed into him allowing her to appear to her after his death. Rachel attempts to apologise for allowing Jericho to die but Jericho refuses to let her accept fault for his death saying that he blames his father for lying to him for his entire life. The two agree to try and figure out a way to escape.
We return to Gar’s experimentation as a member of Church of Blood reluctantly enters Gar’s cage carrying a bag of meat. Gar tries to protest saying he doesn’t eat meat, but the cult-member uses codeword “Galtry” which has been programmed into Gar forcing him to transform into his tiger form. Tiger Gar sniffs the meat but pushes it aside to focus on the human within the cage with him. The culture-member attempts to leave the cage but finds themselves locked it. Gar’s human compassion and animal instincts fight one another as the cultist begins screaming for help before the tiger lunges at him. Sebastian Blood watches on with indifference.
In the prison showers Dick is approach by Luis, one of his cellmates, clutching a shiv. Dick tells Luis that he doesn’t want to do this, but Luis tells Dick that he has to kill him otherwise the Cartel will kill Luis and his brothers. Despite this Luis is unable to go through with the act and his brothers, Santos and Rafael, arrive to take him back to their cell. Santos tells Dick that they attempted to escape the cartel by fleeing to the US but were picked up by immigration enforcement. He says that all three of them will be killed by the Cartel once they are deported and that their only chance to survive, since they are unwilling to kill Dick, is to escape the prison. Dick warns them that this is a bad plan and they’ll never make but Rafael responds that the ‘Nightwing’ will look after them. When Dick asks what a Nightwing is Rafael draws an image of a bird on a wall and explains the Nightwing is a winged bird god who saves people in the night. Dick scoffs at this but doesn’t attempt to dissuade them any further.
We then get a short scene of Kory and Faddei scouting an airstrip just outside of Los Angeles where the Tamaraneans are keeping their spaceship. Faddei asks her if she’s committed to leaving Earth and returning to Tamaran and Kory responds that all she wants is to return home and try and make sense of her life. As they scout, they are spotted by the Tamaraneans and forced to flee. They try to escape but the Tamaranean with the burned face is able to shoot Faddei. As he dies, he tells Kory to leave him and make his death count by defeating Blackfire. Kory is forced to abandon him.
We then return to the warehouse where Jason is being held captive by Slade. He is shaken awake by Rose who begins to free him, telling him that they both need to escape right now. Jason isn’t quite ready to trust Rose and asks her why she is helping him escape. Rose replies that ‘this’, meaning Slade’s kidnapping and torture of Jason, isn’t who she is and that her father was wrong to hand Gar and Rachel to the Church of Blood. The two agree work together to rescue Gar and Rachel.
Back at the prison Santos, Rafael and Luis are escorted from their cells to be deported. The brothers are able to free themselves from their handcuffs and attack the guards but are quickly overwhelmed. Dick watches the fight from his cell and looks at Rafael’s drawing of the Nightwing on the wall. He decides to intervene and help his cellmates. With Dick’s assistance Rafael, Luis and Santos are able to escape however Dick refuses to go with them. More guards arrive and Dick is beaten unconscious and thrown in a solitary cell.
We end the episode at the warehouse with Slade finding Jason’s cage empty and his daughter missing.
Episode 7 is in Comments because Reddit apparently has a word limit
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2020.09.01 03:43 SulfurFlouride Sulfur Fluoride's Tier List: August 2020

This is a rough estimate on how good the characters in DC Legends are.
They are ranked based on their Offense, Defense, Critical Hits, Versatility and Support
There a 5 Tiers: Broken, Excellent, Average, Mediocre, "Room for Improvement"
Broken: The best toons whom you want to pump your gems and resources into
Excellent: Characters who are incredibly useful, and perform really well, but not Broken Level
Average: Your Average characters who need their team's support to help them reach their full potential
Mediocre: Characters here start to get a bit bad, but are still usable
"Room for Improvement": Characters who seriously need a rework, and it is advised not to use them if you want to maximise your chances of winning a match
The Order goes by Energy, Mystical, Physical
Lex Luthor (SSS)
Martian Manhunter
Donna Troy
Wonder Girl
Red Hood

Cyborg Superman
Hal Jordan
Jessica Cruz
Killer Frost
Power Girl
Reverse Flash
Wally West
Alan Scott
Black Adam
John Constantine
Saint Walker
Sinestro WL
Star Sapphire
Swamp Thing
Wonder Woman POT
Beast Boy
Big Barda
Black Mask
Booster Gold
Cassandra Cain
Deadshot HG
Green Arrow EA
Harley Quinn MJ
Red Robin
Batman Beyond
Black Lightning
General Zod
Mirror Master
Mr Freeze
Aquaman KoA
Mary Shazam
Ocean Master
Ra's Al Ghul
Silver Banshee
Solomon Grundy
Batman WGD
Black Canary
Black Manta
Conner Kent
Deadshot SS Hitman
Harley Quinn QV
Joker CPoC
Killer Croc
Lex Luthor AW
Poison Ivy
Talia Al Ghul
Captain Atom
Captain Cold
Guy Gardner
John Stewart
Kid Flash
Sinestro YL
Dr Fate
Shazam Jr
Wonder Woman CoTA
Wonder Woman DoJ
Batman CC
Captain Boomerang
Dr Poison
Room for Improvement
Gorilla Grodd
Mr Miracle
Aquaman RoKT
Blue Beetle
Vandal Savage
Jay Garrick
Joker DG
That's all for August's Tier List! Feel free to comment your views and opinions and let me know if I missed out anyone
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2020.08.24 18:01 hypotheticalbattles Starfire vs Martian Manhunter

Starfire and Martian Manhunter are the likely the same. Both of them can fly and both have super strength and durability. But one thing that one have over the other is Starfire. Starfire has more durability traits then Martian Manhunter. Surviving a whole explosion that wiped out jump city. Also in the teen titans series Starfire has been shown to melt anything at her will. When she raises her hands her hands have her green starbolts look and she can melt metal. Starfire has also shown great and impressive feats for somebody her size. She have fought Wonder Woman, defeated the teen titans in a match in teen titans go, lifting a 75,000 ton ferry boat, her starbolts were so hot that they melted a whole ship full of cargo, and her nova blast is intense. Starfires nova blast was powerful enough to destroy Brainiacs ship and defeated Brainiac 8 multiple times in the comics. She can defeat heavy hitters like Donna Troy who is like an Amazon, she also said that she is powerful enough to take on Wonder Girl, Dick Grayson, and Donna Troy. When angered Starfire can go on berserk state, granting her more super speed, durability, strength and her starbolts become hotter. She even said that she is a Superman strength leveled superhero and she have proved this many times. Starfire can travel faster then the speed of sound and she proved this in Injustice 2 when she does her super move she flies into space in under 0.71 milliseconds. That’s faster then Martian Manhunter himself. And Starfire have the ability of super sight and hearing. Being able to see and hear from more then 100 plus miles away. Starfire is immune to telepathy and she have proved this in Dc Superhero girls when the kryptomitw tried to take control of her mind. It coudent because of her Tamaranian genes. Starfire has enhanced hand to hand combat skills too she was fighting all of her life so she would be fighting for 300 years or more! Starfire proved her hand to hand combat skills when she was fighting in a Themyscaria tournament to which she won without the use of her starbolts and flight. So she don’t need powers to kick your ass, and if she did you would still be friends but you get the giff. When mad enough Starfires starbolts become hotter then the sun itself and in teen titans go she made it rain electricity bolts if energy damaging Cyborg, Raven, and Robin. And when Starfire was fighting Blackfire, she nova blasted on her sister causing an explosion throughout the whole town of Jump City. Starfire is a masters swoardswoman knowing all the basic skills to fighting. She is also involnerable to heat and cold abilities and can regenerate heat whenever she wants to. Starfire has been proved to fight and defeat Kryptonians when she drains one of their solar charge and defeats them effortlessly. But that’s not all of Starfire abilities. In Teen Titans she was powerful enough to seperates Atoms! Atoms are so fast that they pierce through the skin but not Starfire. Her skin is bulletproof and they have proved this during a meeting with the whole dc universe team. Starfire is near involnerable and can’t be defeated often. Starfires starbolts can be fire itself and it doesn’t have to be green energy bolts like the comics say they can be. Starfires can shape her starbolts into shapes that she can use as shields. And they can hold about anything. Starfire is not as weak as you thought now is she, But enough of Starfire let’s go to Martian Manhunter.
The Martian Manhunter has shapeshifting abilities. He often takes the human disguise of Detective John Jones. He has often been shown to grow an extra pair of arms to supplement his fighting abilities and his strength, such as when he helped moved 1/3 of the earth with both Superman and Wonder Woman, has knocked out Shazam once, stopping a ship many times larger than the planet from colliding with earth in tandem with Superman and destroying the Moon which gravity was increased a billion fold to the point it was tearing off the earths crust and ejecting every continent to the atmosphere. He can become stiff or malleable, as well as alter the size and length of limbs. He has elongated parts of himself into bladed weapons during combat. His density is also variable and changes as he wills it. He can use this ability to become intangible and move through objects or allow attacks to fly harmlessly through him or to become extremely dense and increase his invulnerability. J'onzz can also become invisible. In addition to these powers, he can fly and possesses superhuman strength.J'onzz is the most powerful telepath on Earth, being able to control and affect even the Spectre and Doctor Fate with his telepathy. Aquaman has stated that Martian Manhunter's telepathy exceeds even the telepathy of other members of the Martian race. He said that with J'onzz's great telepathic power, his own telepathy just "pings" off of him while, when Aquaman was in the presence of J'onzz's brother, Ma'alefa'ak, there was no such effect. J'onzz is capable of linking the minds of all superheroes at once from a distance of the Moon to all corners of Earth, even once scanning the entire galaxy to see if anyone was not experiencing a brief moment of transcendent bliss. He is also capable of reading the minds of all inhabitants of Earth at once. His telepathic abilities also allow him to create realistic illusions; telepathically trace and locate people; shut down people's minds; brain blast; mental shield; influence thoughts; mind control people; manipulate memory; astral projection; possession; induce sleep; reprogram or reorder minds; and transfer information directly into people's brains. The Martian Manhunter's mind control capabilities have allowed him to mind control the Joker and make him temporarily sane, as well as mind controlling several White Martians at once. He is also capable of mentally shielding those around him from telepathic assault. His own mental defenses are so strong that he is able to telepathically shield himself from the combined might of several White Martians and from the Mageddon machinery. But that woudent work if Starfire because of her involnurability to mind control.J'onzz possesses "Martian Vision" allowing his eyes to see across the electricmagnetic spectrum , including X-ray vision. He can also project energy beams, known as "Martian beams", the exact effects of which have varied in different decades from incendiary effects to concussive impacts to disintegration. J'onzz also has nine senses compared to humans, giving him clearer and more numerable perceptions.
Now who’s the winner?
lets talk about both of their weakness.
Starfire weakness is that if she is confused in a fight she can lose control of her powers. She needs to feel the power in order to use them. And Martian Manhunter weakness is fire. He has a phobia to fire and that’s called pyrophobia. So Starfire would immediately come good in that category. But this fight would kinda be unfair if Martian Manhunter was in his Martian form. Could Martian Manhunter confuse Starfire. Sadly if you are a fan of Martian Manhunter then he would not win in this category because Starfire is ubcontrolable in terms of mind control. So he coudent get Starfire to lose her mind or stuff like that.
who is better then the other?
In terms of strength. Martian Manhunter crushes Starfire in this category. He has destroyed the moon, moves 1/3 of the earth with Superman and Wonder Woman, and even knocked Shazam.
Who has the better power?
starfires abilities are over the top amazing. She has super strength, durability, nova force, electricity bolts, fire, energy bolts, energy shields, hand to hand combat, heat generation, ice generation, near involnerability, bulletproof skin, hot skin, and even furry hair which she can use to her abilities. Starfire definently have the upper hand in powers and abilities. And in her berserk state those powers increase.
who have the better chances to win?
with Martian Manhunter pyrophobia Starfire has to have a plus one point. Starfire is not better at hand to hand combat, or strength. But in her berserk state She can obliterate Martian Manhunter in a few hours. This fight would most likely take hours or even minutes to complete but even though Starfire doesn’t have better abilities she have the best powers. Tat fire has a 79/100 chance to win and Martin Manhunter has a 72/100 chance of winning
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2020.08.22 09:52 MadmansBluff The biggest mistakes of Titans season 2 and how to fix them.

COVID happened at the worst possible time for Titans. The show ended on a low note before production had to shut down with a season finale that was disappointing to say the least (and I have a lot worse to say). So instead of talking about new information from the new season, focus remains on the last concrete thing we got - negative emotions from a weak finale that capped off a disappointing season. But Titans gets no sympathy from me. If Greg Walker and his writing team had done what they were supposed do - deliver a solid season - the feeling would be positive. There would be more anticipation towards season 3. They didn't and they received the reaction that they deserved.
Speaking personally, I was among the people who (mostly) enjoyed the first season. I was anticipating the new episodes of season 2 each week. At one point, I was readily defending the show - now, I'm making posts criticizing it. That feeling of anticipation has turned into a feeling of dread, with the expectation that season 3 will continue the downward spiral, especially with Walker still in charge.
I can't speak for anyone else on their criticisms of Titans, but for me, my feelings changed due to certain bad decisions made by Walker and his writers that turned what was looking to be a new high point for the series into an all-time low. A lot of people may point to the season 2 finale and the cast bloat as the key problems, but I want to go a little more in-depth. It was these mistakes from Walker and company that ruined season 2, ordered from ascending damage. And I still want to believe that these decisions haven't ruined the entire show, so to also add positivity in the face of what's shaping up to be an even bigger disaster, I'll also be discussing how Titans can correct its course and find redemption in season 3.
  1. Gar's (mis)treatment
I can live with Gar only turning into a tiger. That's a budgetary issue. What matters is how the story utilizes Gar and the season 2 story failed him.
Gar did have a pretty important role in the later half of the season, so it's not like he was sidelined - the problem is that his main role is to have bad things happen to him. In season 1, he gets captured and tortured by scientists, then almost dies after being poisoned. For season 2, it's the same thing. He almost dies again, this time from being nearly beaten to death, and is once again captured and tortured in the name of science. He gets saddled with the same story for two straight seasons and it's not even a good one. Gar might as well turn into a monkey because he's the butt-monkey of Titans, existing only to get hurt.
It doesn't help that Gar's relationship with Rachel can't be properly developed until around season 4 (provided we get one) due to the baffling decision to cast a minor as Rachel, but an adult actor as Gar. While the problem there lies with the casting department, that doesn't excuse how his character has been treated. Even though the writers can't fully depict him and Rachel together, they can still give him a different role instead of routinely sticking a kick me sign on his back.
This ranks the lowest because I don't care too much about Gar, but that's also part of the problem - I don't care about him because he's been misused. I don't have a vested interest in a character whose defining trait has been getting his ass whupped. I'm supposed to care about him, but when that's the main thing I get from him, I feel ambivalent.
How to fix: The most efficient way to do more with Gar would be to have a story center on him. The ideal story would be to kill off the Titans Doom Patrol and send Gar after their killers. This has background in the comics, where the Doom Patrol died and Gar pursued the killers, and opens up the opportunity for DP Doom Patrol crossovers without confusion over the DP Doom Patrol being a separate team.
This probably won't happen in season 3 because it's already supposed to center on Kory, but it's something that could be utilized for a future season. And Teagan Croft will be 18 by then, so Gar and Rachel's relationship can be fully realized. For season 3, it will be a matter of at least not kicking Gar to the sidelines and/or bringing him to the forefront just to have him captured and beat up again. This can be accomplished more effectively if certain other characters are removed from the show...
  1. Increased focus on Hank and Dawn
Titans will always be unfavorably compared to Doom Patrol because Doom Patrol understands one crucial thing that Titans does not - how to manage a series based on a team. Unlike with Gar, Doom Patrol gives all of its heroes the right amount of focus. And Doom Patrol makes all of its heroes likable and interesting characters - unlike Hank and Dawn.
It's bad enough that Titans can't properly balance its characters, but the real kicker is screentime that could be for Gar is instead used on Hank and Dawn, the worst characters of the entire series. These guys are not heroes. The main objective of a hero is to help others. Hank and Dawn suit up to hurt others because they hurt. In the first season, they were tolerable due to having supporting roles, but the increased focus on them in season 2 exposed how awful they really are. Not only are they unlikable - they're boring. Their entire arc is them breaking up and getting back together, which has happened twice now.
Their increased focus would have been more tolerable if one of them died in season 2 because instead of being background players whose deaths leave no impact, the audience would have at least gotten to know them before their exits. The death of one of these characters would have also forced the other to develop now that their partner is no longer around. That didn't happen and in a decision that could tank season 3 from the very beginning, they're both still around. But this also relates to a far bigger mistakes.
Also, their karaoke sequence was pure cringe. Doom Patrol also has Titans beat in that area.
How to fix: Hank and Dawn are an anchor dragging this show underwater. They're going to start sinking season 3 as soon as they appear with their unlikable presence and repetitive arc. They need to be dealt with as soon as possible, with their roles minimized. When they are around, the focus should be on their contributions to the team, not their on-and-off relationship that's been depicted enough.
The general assumption is that they'll leave Titans during season 3 to appear in their own spin-off series. Personally, I don't think that should happen. I've seen characters leave shows for spin-offs, only for the spin-off to fizzle out. The shining example for me is Lancer Hunter and Bobbi Morse, who were written off Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. to receive their own series, only for the series to not make it past the pilot stage. There are too many variables and these are characters I don't want to see more of, period, let alone watch an entire series based around them. And if they simply leave the show by bus, there's always the chance that they may return.
Titans bills itself as being a dark and mature take on the comic material. That would be accomplished by permanently killing off Hank and Dawn in season 3, raising the emotional stakes and tension - the Titans will have to truly deal with loss (provided that a certain other story isn't botched) and the audience will recognize that other Titans may also permanently die.
  1. Making Jason Todd a Titan
Curran Walters' performance as Jason Todd has been nothing short of phenomenal. He's been so good, I was just glad to be seeing more of him when I heard that Jason would be on the team in season 2 and didn't realize what a horrible decision this was.
Here's another example of Doom Patrol understanding a superhero team better than Titans. In a superhero team, each hero is supposed to bring something unique to the team - e.g. distinct abilities. Doom Patrol understood this. The Teen Titans cartoon understood this. Really, all the comic runs of Titans understood this. The only entry that doesn't understand this is the 2018 Titans television series. The comics never put two Robins as main members of the same Titans team - Dick, Tim, and Damien all had their own teams for this reason. This show put Dick and Jason on the same team while neither offers distinct abilities from each other. They're two bird-themed heroes with no superpowers (which also applies to Hank and Dawn, making this even more redundant), so they rely on their physical prowess and gadgets.
Jason was never a primary member of the Titans in the comics because it would have made no sense. He was created so Batman would still have a sidekick while Dick could develop on his own with the Titans. To also put him on the Titans would be counterproductive. On this show, where part of Dick's arc is transitioning from Robin to Nightwing, a similar guest role for Jason is exactly how he should be utilized. Dick learning that he's been replaced as Robin is another factor for him to take up a new identity. Jason has no major role beyond this in a series supposed to center on a Dick-led Titans team, except maybe acknowledgement of his death and appearances as Red Hood.
Apart from unnecessarily bloating the cast, what does Jason - still in his Robin persona - add to the series? Obviously, his expected story arc is to become Red Hood. But that's not a Titans story. That's a Batman story, deeply rooted in Batman. Of course the Titans are going to fail Jason - they can't even look after themselves, let alone a messed-up kid. Batman wasn't supposed to fail Jason. He's supposed to know what he's doing, which made Jason's death all the more impactful and led to a collision course between his ideals and Jason's new ones. The Titans are already established as not knowing what they're doing, which makes their failure to prevent his darker path a comedy of errors.
To top it off, are we really supposed to believe that Bruce gave up on Jason that easily? That Bruce thought the Titans would do a better job mentoring him than he could? The Titans are probably going to be blamed for what happens to Jason when the irony is, Bruce is more responsible for what happens in the show than in the comics by having Jason removed from his care and placed in a far more irresponsible environment. So Jason bloats the cast in an unneeded role to provide an adaptation of a comic story that will be half-baked at best and utterly absurd at worst.
How to fix: With the current direction that Walker and his writer seem to be taking, going for developments because they're unexpected, despite being devoid of logic, Jason's story is only going to get worse. I'm confident that under the current plan, Jason will not be dying on the show - he'll don the mantle of Red Hood and start killing without experiencing death, eliminating the tragic aspects of his character in the process.
Jason needs be removed from this show because he doesn't belong. My proposition is for him to be killed by Grant Wilson, trying to avenge his father's death, who operates under the first Red Hood in the series. That way, an adversary with a prominent connection to the story still kills him (the Joker is a non-entity in this show, so him being the killer would be anticlimactic) and there is still symbolism behind Jason using the Red Hood name instead of coming up with it out of the blue. Even though it's anticlimactic, I could still live with him dying at the Joker's hands because any scenario (unless there are some absurd ones I'm not accounting for) where he dies is better than those where he lives. Then if there's enough demand for it, Jason can be brought back in the likely-upcoming Red Hood spin-off, an environment better suited to Curran Walters' talents.
  1. Resolving Deathstroke early into the finale
I can figure out the motivation behind some bad decisions, even though I find that motivation to come from misguided (and sometimes, simply bad) places. The decision to conclude Deathstroke's story within the first act of the season 2 finale is something else. I'm not quite sure why the story that was the focal point of most of the season was quickly wrapped up and discarded in favor of a story that didn't begin until about halfway through the season. Literally every re-telling of the season 2 finale that I've seen makes sure to have Deathstroke show up after Cadmus is defeated, not have him be defeated first. As the main antagonist, it's only logical for Deathstroke to be the final obstacle of the season. The problem with eliminating the season's main antagonist early into the finale so they can be replaced with a less prominent adversary speaks for itself.
I even understand why Cadmus was brought into the season. The purpose of Cadmus was to ensure that Deathstroke had an adversarial role in the story's conclusion. When Dick sees Deathstroke before the finale, Deathstroke says he's done - but promises to kill the Titans if they return. Cadmus causes the Titans to return, ensuring that Deathstroke also comes back to follow-up on his promise - with no Cadmus or another separate antagonist's story for that matter, Deathstroke spends the rest of the season on a couch. The problem is that the Cadmus story was supposed to add to Deathstroke's story, not replace it. Of course, the Cadmus story replaced Deathstroke as the final threat of the season, wasting so much build-up in the process. Worst of all, this marks the second consecutive time that the season's big bad was defeated anticlimactically - and when both big bads were given lame defeats, it's easy to see why expectations are low for season 3.
How to fix: There's obviously no way Deathstroke is dead for good, although when this reveal is made will be a mystery until the end of season 3 and maybe beyond that if more seasons are on their way. When he returns needs to be two things - impactful and done at the right time. The ideal time to bring him back right now would be at the end of season 3 so a similar mistake isn't made and he overshadows season 3's big bad. Letting his character rest for the season, then bringing him at the end for the season 4 teaser is the perfect way to build anticipation for the next season, if we get it. He'll be anticipated to return as the big bad and this time, his story will be done right - instead of being wrapped up quickly, it will be the last main story of the season resolved.
  1. Not using the original season 1 ending
Titans is a bit of an innovator - the show had what's now called the "COVID finale" before COVID was a thing - ending the season abruptly before all of the intended episodes aired. Of course, this isn't a good thing. Walker doesn't have a legitimate excuse for pulling the originally intended finale and having season 1 end on an unsatisfying cliffhanger that left the main story unresolved. This may be the only time where the announcement of a new season turned out to be a bad thing because there's no way Walker would have removed the intended finale and left the first season on a cliffhanger without knowing he would have a second season to resolve it.
While I could go into detail about why ending a season without any resolution and dumping that resolution into the next season's premiere is a bad idea, the damage there was short-term. The season 2 premiere, as many should have expected, felt more like the season 1 finale than the proper start of a new season, but the season could quickly recover from that so long as its main story turned out to be worthwhile.
It wasn't - and a big reason for that was because the season 2 premiere didn't use what happened at the end of the original season 1 finale - specifically Dick becoming Nightwing and the Titans becoming a team. These were events being built up throughout the entire first season, but they never came in season 1. Even though they were ready to be used by the start of season 2, season 2 instead needlessly stretched these storylines out for another 13 episodes, finally resolving them at the end. The end result was a season of repetition - another season of Dick trying to find himself, another season where the Titans split and aren't a team throughout most of it. It took two whole seasons to accomplish what should have been finished in one. Season 2 ran out of ideas halfway through because by that point, Dick had to be Nightwing and the Titans had to be together for the story to progress - yet the creative team found themselves in a quagmire because those were big events meant to occur at the season's culmination. Well, the defeat of the season's big bad is also supposed to happen in the finale, yet Trigon was beaten in the season premiere. Removing the original season 1 finale was the beginning of the end, but not retaining all the major plot developments ensured that the second season was likely doomed.
How to fix: The damage here is already done, but at least these storylines have finally been taken care of after two full seasons. This shouldn't happen again so long as another intended season finale isn't abruptly (and intentionally) removed. Instead of stretching out storylines ready to be finished, season 3 can now start a fully new story. The problem is if this is a story worth telling because as bad as season 1's cliffhanger was, sometimes, a season finale with a proper resolution can be worse.
  1. The death of Donna Troy
Was anything else going to receive the top spot? Of course not. Walker and his writers had made many bad decisions before this point, but nothing egregiously in your face bad. Nothing that felt like the show couldn't recover from it. Nothing so against the very principles of good writing. That all changed with the death of Donna Troy. When this happened, the problems with the show couldn't be ignored anymore, not with this absolute lack of competence from the showrunner and his writers. The fact that Walker was a co-writer on the season 2, meaning he had direct involvement with what happened, only further highlights the ineptitude on display here.
Plenty has been said about the obvious problems with the scene - that it makes no sense for Donna to be killed by man-harnessed electricity after surviving Conner's punches without a mark and that it makes no sense for Conner, whose entire character is based around this, does nothing in the one moment where the story demands that he do nothing. But the true problems with this development go beyond the silliness. A lot of people seem to think that the problem was just how Donna died - every re-telling of the season 2 finale that I've read depicts her being killed by Deathstroke or Conner. A lot of people seem to think that Donna had to die - some even incorrectly believing that Donna has to die to become Troia when Donna actually died in the comics as Troia. Deathstroke killing her would have been gratuitous after everything else he already did to her and Conner killing her would logically ruin his character due to his emotional instability (logic isn't a strong point with these writers, but still). The real problem was Walker's decision to even kill Donna.
Not only was it completely unnecessary to kill Donna from a source material perspective - her comic death was to set up a Crisis event, which doesn't apply to the show, and the same comic that killed her at least had the courtesy to bring her back in its epilogue - doing so takes away from the narrative instead of adding to it. This is the polar opposite of Hank and Jason, where their deaths would have benefited the story because there's nothing new to do with them. Donna adds more to the story being in it than away from it - we haven't seen her with Diana, we haven't explored her relationship with Roy, we don't know what caused the fire that killed her father, we don't know who her mother is, and we don't know why her Amazon handlers were targeted for assassination. All of this is potentially lost - in favor of yet another story where Hank and Dawn go through their toxic on-and-off relationship and watered down, completely out of place Red Hood adaptation. And Donna adds something to the team that literally no other character can add - being an actual friend to Dick. The fact that Dick has no true friends on the team right now, all while the Titans are based in friendship, is true absurdity.
Hank was the ideal character to die in the finale. Much of the penultimate episode, right down to its title, was building up to his redemption. Sacrificing himself to save Dawn would be the perfect way to go out and conclude their relationship, demonstrating that she truly mattered to him. His character has nowhere else to go but repeat what the show has already depicted, with his sacrifice completing his arc. And his death would allow for the Holly Granger reference to become more than an Easter egg and instead a teaser for her appearance on the show. Jason's death would have worked too. His story does not work without him dying and being killed by Deathstroke would have been the perfect way to conclude his relationship with Rose - the punishment for her deception was the life of who she loved because he wouldn't have been an easy target on his own if she didn't lie to him. There were two solid prizes right in front of Walker and he opted for the mystery box. He passed the ball on the 1-yard-line. He made the worst possible decision he could have made at the worst possible time. This, of course, turned out to be the last major moment of season 2's story and now season 3 has this awfulness dumped right on it, forcing it to either right the ship or send it right into Atlantis.
How to fix: After how poorly season 2 handled her death, season 3 has to be very delicate with how it handles Donna. But with Walker still in charge, it's only natural to expect that he'll botch this too. The implications are not good. From what I'm feeling, I expect a Black Siren retread because of Rachel's demonic source for her powers (they turned the gargoyle evil, after all) and the current comic continuity has Troia as an evil Donna. To turn the character evil after killing her in such an insulting way is the ultimate insult. I'm also hearing rumors that Donna will only appear in flashbacks for season 3, meaning either Rachel is gone for the whole season or she failed in her objective, making the season 2 finale's teaser a bait-and-switch that went nowhere. This also opens up the can of worms of delving into Donna's convoluted comic origins, which the show had no valid reason to delve into. The continuity errors that forced her original origin - depicted on the show - to be changed in the comics do not apply to the show and moving away from this origin would be a grave mistake.
The best solution may be a cop-out, but when dealing with writing this bad, options are limited. Simply revealing that Donna survived and her death was faked will fix the various logical issues with the season 2 finale and help alleviate the negative feelings towards this moment. It will undo the show's biggest mistake (hopefully not to be undone by season 3) - ensuring that worthwhile and engaging content is saved - and maybe improve feelings towards the season 2 finale with this new knowledge - maybe even improve feelings towards season 2 as a whole.
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2020.08.14 14:55 nightwing612 An analysis of CBR's Top 100 user-voted DC character rankings from 2007-2019

Credit to and Brian Cronin for the original data. All I did was put it in a one-pager and analyzed how the rankings have changed in the past 4 polls (2007-2019)
(There were cases wherein characters were listed as tied. I arbitrarily gave one of the characters the tiebreaker based on how the characters were listed in the CBR articles.)
Table 1 (Sorted by Rank):
Rank 2007 2011 2015 2019
1 Batman (Bruce Wayne) Batman (Bruce Wayne) Batman (Bruce Wayne) Batman (Bruce Wayne)
2 Superman Superman Superman Superman
3 Flash (Wally West) Nightwing (Dick Grayson) Nightwing (Dick Grayson) Nightwing (Dick Grayson)
4 Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) Joker Wonder Woman (Diana Prince) Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)
5 Joker Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) Joker Flash (Barry Allen)
6 Nightwing (Dick Grayson) Flash (Wally West) Flash (Wally West) Wonder Woman (Diana Prince)
7 Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) Wonder Woman (Diana Prince) Flash (Barry Allen) Joker
8 Wonder Woman (Diana Prince) Robin/Red Robin (Tim Drake) Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) Flash (Wally West)
9 Robin/Red Robin (Tim Drake) Flash (Barry Allen) Batgirl/Oracle (Barbara Gordon) Batgirl/Oracle (Barbara Gordon)
10 Batgirl/Oracle (Barbara Gordon) Batgirl/Oracle (Barbara Gordon) Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) Aquaman (Arthur Curry)
11 Martian Manhunter (J'onn J'onnzz) Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) Aquaman (Arthur Curry) Green Arrow (Oliver Queen)
12 Booster Gold Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner) Harley Quinn John Constantine
13 Question (Vic Sage) Booster Gold John Constantine Martian Manhunter (J'onn J'onnzz)
14 Starman (Jack Knight) Robin (Damian Wayne) Catwoman Robin/Red Robin (Tim Drake)
15 Blue Beetle (Ted Kord) Lex Luthor Martian Manhunter (J'onn J'onnzz) Captain Marvel/Shazam (Billy Batson)
16 Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner) John Constantine Lex Luthor Zatanna
17 Rorschach Superboy (Conner Kent) Robin/Red Robin (Tim Drake) Black Canary
18 Black Canary Power Girl Darkseid Catwoman
19 John Constantine Black Canary Black Canary Red Hood (Jason Todd)
20 Lex Luthor Rorschach Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner) Harley Quinn
21 Animal Man Aquaman (Arthur Curry) Sandman (Dream/Morpheus) Lex Luthor
22 Hawkman Martian Manhunter (J'onn J'onnzz) Swamp Thing Swamp Thing
23 Sandman (Dream/Morpheus) Green Lantern (Guy Gardner) Zatanna Robin (Damian Wayne)
24 Zatanna Captain Marvel/Shazam (Billy Batson) Booster Gold Deathstroke
25 Green Lantern (Guy Gardner) Swamp Thing Captain Marvel/Shazam (Billy Batson) Darkseid
26 Darkseid Catwoman Rorschach Poison Ivy
27 Captain Marvel/Shazam (Billy Batson) Sandman (Dream/Morpheus) Robin (Damian Wayne) Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner)
28 Power Girl Blue Beetle (Ted Kord) Deathstroke Supergirl (Kara Zor-El)
29 Flash (Barry Allen) Zatanna Red Hood (Jason Todd) Hawkman
30 Aquaman (Arthur Curry) Starman (Jack Knight) Supergirl (Kara Zor-El) Mister Miracle
31 Catwoman Darkseid Blue Beetle (Ted Kord) Booster Gold
32 Jesse Custer Hawkman Death Sandman (Dream/Morpheus)
33 Death SpoileBatgirl (Stephanie Brown) Power Girl Lois Lane
34 Spider Jerusalem Batwoman Hawkman Alfred
35 Swamp Thing Harley Quinn Midnighter Raven
36 Firestorm Impulse/Kid Flash (Bart Allen) Sinestro Rorschach
37 Green Lantern (Alan Scott) Sinestro Starfire Starfire
38 Black Adam Donna Troy Poison Ivy Sinestro
39 Yorick Brown Animal Man Question (Vic Sage) Donna Troy
40 Deathstroke Huntress Green Lantern (Guy Gardner) Blue Beetle (Ted Kord)
41 Flash (Jay Garrick) Jesse Custer Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson) Superboy (Conner Kent)
42 Impulse/Kid Flash (Bart Allen) Question (Vic Sage) Starman (Jack Knight) Green Lantern (Guy Gardner)
43 Bizarro Supergirl (Kara Zor-El) Batwoman Big Barda
44 Plastic Man Deadshot Spectre (Jim Corrigan) Mera
45 Jonah Hex Flash (Jay Garrick) Lois Lane Green Lantern (John Stewart)
46 Ambush Bug Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes) SpoileBatgirl (Stephanie Brown) Beast Boy
47 Elongated Man Lois Lane Alfred Spectre (Jim Corrigan)
48 Spectre (Jim Corrigan) Question (Renee Montoya) Animal Man Batwoman
49 Mister Miracle Spider Jerusalem Green Lantern (John Stewart) Question (Vic Sage)
50 Huntress Death Superboy (Conner Kent) Lobo
51 Deadshot Commisioner James Gordon Lobo Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)
52 Hitman Deathstroke Raven Firestorm
53 Lobo Green Lantern (John Stewart) Commisioner James Gordon Batgirl (Cassandra Cain)
54 Harley Quinn Spectre (Jim Corrigan) Batgirl (Cassandra Cain) Death
55 Arsenal/Red Arrow (Roy Harper) Yorick Brown Riddler Plastic Man
56 Superboy (Conner Kent) Jonah Hex Donna Troy Bane
57 Sandman (Wesley Dodds) Arsenal/Red Arrow (Roy Harper) Cyborg Starman (Jack Knight)
58 Supergirl (Kara Zor-El) Poison Ivy Mister Miracle Superboy (Jonathan Kent)
59 Wildcat (Ted Grant) Bigby Wolf Jesse Custer Cyborg
60 Brainiac 5 Red Hood (Jason Todd) Black Adam Midnighter
61 Robotman (Cliff Steele) Batgirl (Cassandra Cain) Brainiac 5 Ra's al Ghul
62 Atom (Ray Palmer) Starfire Deadshot Riddler
63 Batgirl (Cassandra Cain) Firestorm Doctor Manhattan Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
64 Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson) Plastic Man Bane Power Girl
65 Starfire Green Lantern (Alan Scott) Big Barda Jonah Hex
66 Riddler Mister Miracle Hawkgirl/Hawkwoman Doctor Manhattan
67 Donna Troy Two-Face Two-Face Flash (Jay Garrick)
68 Jimmy Olsen Black Adam Bigby Wolf Commisioner James Gordon
69 Manhunter (Kate Spencer) Wildcat (Ted Grant) Firestorm Etrigan the Demon
70 Adam Strange Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson) Spider Jerusalem Impulse/Kid Flash (Bart Allen)
71 Mary Marvel Riddler Flash (Jay Garrick) Animal Man
72 Amanda Waller Catman Impulse/Kid Flash (Bart Allen) Arsenal/Red Arrow (Roy Harper)
73 Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes) Big Barda Etrigan the Demon Huntress
74 Raven Static Beast Boy Black Lightning
75 Doctor Manhattan Brainiac 5 Amanda Waller Two-Face
76 Bigby Wolf Alfred Huntress The Batman Who Laughs
77 Proinsais Cassidy Lobo Green Lantern (Alan Scott) Atom (Ray Palmer)
78 Beast Boy Midnighter Arsenal/Red Arrow (Roy Harper) SpoileBatgirl (Stephanie Brown)
79 Mister Terrific Doctor Manhattan Jonah Hex Vixen
80 Green Lantern (John Stewart) Jimmy Olsen Question (Renee Montoya) Deadman
81 Commisioner James Gordon Hitman Ra's al Ghul Black Adam
82 Lucifer Raven The Metal Men Amanda Waller
83 Red Tornado Ra's al Ghul Hitman Phantom Stranger
84 Two-Face Cyborg Catman Deadshot
85 Green Lantern (Kilowog) Sandman (Wesley Dodds) Lucifer Batman (Terry McGinnis)
86 The Metal Men Elijah Snow V Robotman (Cliff Steele)
87 Alfred Orion Yorick Brown Elijah Snow
88 Lois Lane V Plastic Man Brainiac 5
89 Big Barda Atom (Ray Palmer) Scarecrow Orion
90 Ozymandias Deadman Deadman Captain Atom
91 Phantom Stranger Adam Strange Saturn Girl Scarecrow
92 Captain Atom Green Lantern (Kilowog) Orion Mister Freeze
93 Orion Amanda Waller Vixen Penguin
94 Sgt Rock Elongated Man Batman (Terry McGinnis) Ozymandias
95 Cyborg Captain Atom Phantom Stranger Adam Strange
96 Stargirl Robotman (Cliff Steele) Mera Mon-El
97 Deadman Shade (Richard Swift) Captain Cold Cosmic Boy
98 Mr Mxyzptlk Brainiac 2 (Vril Dox) Atom (Ray Palmer) Jimmy Olsen
99 Hawkgirl/Hawkwoman Phantom Stranger Azrael (Jean-Paul Valley) Aqualad/Tempest (Garth)
100 Metamorpho Beast Boy Shade (Richard Swift) Mister Terrific

Table 2 (Sorted by Name):
(NA means that the character scored outside of the Top 100 or they were not created at the time of the poll)
Name 2007 2011 2015 2019
Adam Strange 70 91 NA 95
Alfred 87 76 47 34
Amanda Waller 72 93 75 82
Ambush Bug 46 NA NA NA
Animal Man 21 39 48 71
Aqualad/Tempest (Garth) NA NA NA 99
Aquaman (Arthur Curry) 30 21 11 10
Arsenal/Red Arrow (Roy Harper) 55 57 78 72
Atom (Ray Palmer) 62 89 98 77
Azrael (Jean-Paul Valley) NA NA 99 NA
Bane NA NA 64 56
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain) 63 61 54 53
Batgirl/Oracle (Barbara Gordon) 10 10 9 9
Batman (Bruce Wayne) 1 1 1 1
Batman (Terry McGinnis) NA NA 94 85
Batwoman NA 34 43 48
Beast Boy 78 100 74 46
Big Barda 89 73 65 43
Bigby Wolf 76 59 68 NA
Bizarro 43 NA NA NA
Black Adam 38 68 60 81
Black Canary 18 19 19 17
Black Lightning NA NA NA 74
Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes) 73 46 NA NA
Blue Beetle (Ted Kord) 15 28 31 40
Booster Gold 12 13 24 31
Brainiac 2 (Vril Dox) NA 98 NA NA
Brainiac 5 60 75 61 88
Captain Atom 92 95 NA 90
Captain Cold NA NA 97 NA
Captain Marvel/Shazam (Billy Batson) 27 24 25 15
Catman NA 72 84 NA
Catwoman 31 26 14 18
Commisioner James Gordon 81 51 53 68
Cosmic Boy NA NA NA 97
Cyborg 95 84 57 59
Darkseid 26 31 18 25
Deadman 97 90 90 80
Deadshot 51 44 62 84
Death 33 50 32 54
Deathstroke 40 52 28 24
Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson) 64 70 41 51
Doctor Manhattan 75 79 63 66
Donna Troy 67 38 56 39
Elijah Snow NA 86 NA 87
Elongated Man 47 94 NA NA
Etrigan the Demon NA NA 73 69
Firestorm 36 63 69 52
Flash (Barry Allen) 29 9 7 5
Flash (Jay Garrick) 41 45 71 67
Flash (Wally West) 3 6 6 8
Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) 7 11 10 11
Green Lantern (Alan Scott) 37 65 77 63
Green Lantern (Guy Gardner) 25 23 40 42
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) 4 5 8 4
Green Lantern (John Stewart) 80 53 49 45
Green Lantern (Kilowog) 85 92 NA NA
Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner) 16 12 20 27
Harley Quinn 54 35 12 20
Hawkgirl/Hawkwoman 99 NA 66 NA
Hawkman 22 32 34 29
Hitman 52 81 83 NA
Huntress 50 40 76 73
Impulse/Kid Flash (Bart Allen) 42 36 72 70
Jesse Custer 32 41 59 NA
Jimmy Olsen 68 80 NA 98
John Constantine 19 16 13 12
Joker 5 4 5 7
Jonah Hex 45 56 79 65
Lex Luthor 20 15 16 21
Lobo 53 77 51 50
Lois Lane 88 47 45 33
Lucifer 82 NA 85 NA
Manhunter (Kate Spencer) 69 NA NA NA
Martian Manhunter (J'onn J'onnzz) 11 22 15 13
Mary Marvel 71 NA NA NA
Mera NA NA 96 44
Metamorpho 100 NA NA NA
Midnighter NA 78 35 60
Mister Freeze NA NA NA 92
Mister Miracle 49 66 58 30
Mister Terrific 79 NA NA 100
Mon-El NA NA NA 96
Mr Mxyzptlk 98 NA NA NA
Nightwing (Dick Grayson) 6 3 3 3
Orion 93 87 92 89
Ozymandias 90 NA NA 94
Penguin NA NA NA 93
Phantom Stranger 91 99 95 83
Plastic Man 44 64 88 55
Poison Ivy NA 58 38 26
Power Girl 28 18 33 64
Proinsais Cassidy 77 NA NA NA
Question (Renee Montoya) NA 48 80 NA
Question (Vic Sage) 13 42 39 49
Ra's al Ghul NA 83 81 61
Raven 74 82 52 35
Red Hood (Jason Todd) NA 60 29 19
Red Tornado 83 NA NA NA
Riddler 66 71 55 62
Robin (Damian Wayne) NA 14 27 23
Robin/Red Robin (Tim Drake) 9 8 17 14
Robotman (Cliff Steele) 61 96 NA 86
Rorschach 17 20 26 36
Sandman (Dream/Morpheus) 23 27 21 32
Sandman (Wesley Dodds) 57 85 NA NA
Saturn Girl NA NA 91 NA
Scarecrow NA NA 89 91
Sgt Rock 94 NA NA NA
Shade (Richard Swift) NA 97 100 NA
Sinestro NA 37 36 38
Spectre (Jim Corrigan) 48 54 44 47
Spider Jerusalem 34 49 70 NA
SpoileBatgirl (Stephanie Brown) NA 33 46 78
Starfire 65 62 37 37
Stargirl 96 NA NA NA
Starman (Jack Knight) 14 30 42 57
Static NA 74 NA NA
Superboy (Conner Kent) 56 17 50 41
Superboy (Jonathan Kent) NA NA NA 58
Supergirl (Kara Zor-El) 58 43 30 28
Superman 2 2 2 2
Swamp Thing 35 25 22 22
The Batman Who Laughs NA NA NA 76
The Metal Men 86 NA 82 NA
Two-Face 84 67 67 75
V NA 88 86 NA
Vixen NA NA 93 79
Wildcat (Ted Grant) 59 69 NA NA
Wonder Woman (Diana Prince) 8 7 4 6
Yorick Brown 39 55 87 NA
Zatanna 24 29 23 16

Table 3 - These characters have a consistently steady or upwards ranking trajectory:
Name 2007 2011 2015 2019
Alfred 87 76 47 34
Aqualad/Tempest (Garth) NA NA NA 99
Aquaman (Arthur Curry) 30 21 11 10
Bane NA NA 64 56
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain) 63 61 54 53
Batgirl/Oracle (Barbara Gordon) 10 10 9 9
Batman (Bruce Wayne) 1 1 1 1
Batman (Terry McGinnis) NA NA 94 85
Big Barda 89 73 65 43
Black Lightning NA NA NA 74
Cosmic Boy NA NA NA 97
Deadman 97 90 90 80
Etrigan the Demon NA NA 73 69
Flash (Barry Allen) 29 9 7 5
Green Lantern (John Stewart) 80 53 49 45
John Constantine 19 16 13 12
Lois Lane 88 47 45 33
Mera NA NA 96 44
Mister Freeze NA NA NA 92
Mon-El NA NA NA 96
Nightwing (Dick Grayson) 6 3 3 3
Penguin NA NA NA 93
Poison Ivy NA 58 38 26
Ra's al Ghul NA 83 81 61
Red Hood (Jason Todd) NA 60 29 19
Starfire 65 62 37 37
Superboy (Jonathan Kent) NA NA NA 58
Supergirl (Kara Zor-El) 58 43 30 28
Superman 2 2 2 2
Swamp Thing 35 25 22 22
The Batman Who Laughs NA NA NA 76
Vixen NA NA 93 79

Table 4 - Minor fluctuations aside, these characters are extremely steady and set in their average placements:
Name 2007 2011 2015 2019
Batgirl/Oracle (Barbara Gordon) 10 10 9 9
Batman (Bruce Wayne) 1 1 1 1
Black Canary 18 19 19 17
Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) 7 11 10 11
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) 4 5 8 4
Joker 5 4 5 7
Nightwing (Dick Grayson) 6 3 3 3
Superman 2 2 2 2
Wonder Woman (Diana Prince) 8 7 4 6

Table 5 - These characters have had a consistently downward trend or have started to based on the last two polls:
Name 2007 2011 2015 2019
Ambush Bug 46 NA NA NA
Animal Man 21 39 48 71
Bigby Wolf 76 59 68 NA
Bizarro 43 NA NA NA
Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes) 73 46 NA NA
Blue Beetle (Ted Kord) 15 28 31 40
Booster Gold 12 13 24 31
Catman NA 72 84 NA
Deadshot 51 44 62 84
Elongated Man 47 94 NA NA
Flash (Wally West) 3 6 6 8
Green Lantern (Guy Gardner) 25 23 40 42
Green Lantern (Kilowog) 85 92 NA NA
Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner) 16 12 20 27
Hitman 52 81 83 NA
Jesse Custer 32 41 59 NA
Joker 5 4 5 7
Lex Luthor 20 15 16 21
Manhunter (Kate Spencer) 69 NA NA NA
Mary Marvel 71 NA NA NA
Metamorpho 100 NA NA NA
Mr Mxyzptlk 98 NA NA NA
Power Girl 28 18 33 64
Proinsais Cassidy 77 NA NA NA
Question (Renee Montoya) NA 48 80 NA
Red Tornado 83 NA NA NA
Rorschach 17 20 26 36
Sandman (Wesley Dodds) 57 85 NA NA
Sgt Rock 94 NA NA NA
Shade (Richard Swift) NA 97 100 NA
Spider Jerusalem 34 49 70 NA
Stargirl 96 NA NA NA
Starman (Jack Knight) 14 30 42 57
Static NA 74 NA NA
Wildcat (Ted Grant) 59 69 NA NA
Yorick Brown 39 55 87 NA

Table 6 - These characters have experienced the biggest jump in rankings (upwards/downwards):
Name 2007 2011 2015 2019 Variance
Jesse Custer 32 41 59 NA -69
Spider Jerusalem 34 49 70 NA -67
Yorick Brown 39 55 87 NA -62
Bizarro 43 NA NA NA -58
Ambush Bug 46 NA NA NA -55
Elongated Man 47 94 NA NA -54
Question (Renee Montoya) NA 48 80 NA -53
Animal Man 21 39 48 71 -50
Hitman 52 81 83 NA -49
Sandman (Wesley Dodds) 57 85 NA NA -44
Bane NA NA 64 56 +45
Big Barda 89 73 65 43 +46
Alfred 87 76 47 34 +53
Batwoman NA 34 43 48 +53
Lois Lane 88 47 45 33 +55
Mera NA NA 96 44 +57
Sinestro NA 37 36 38 +63
Poison Ivy NA 58 38 26 +75
Robin (Damian Wayne) NA 14 27 23 +78
Red Hood (Jason Todd) NA 60 29 19 +82

My personal thoughts after observing the data:
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2020.08.07 14:43 SulfurFlouride Sulfur Fluoride's Master Synergy List

I recently created a list for who counters who best. Now, This list is for who synergises best with who
Alan Scott: Saint Walker
Aqualad: Cheetah
Aquaman KoA: Hawkgirl
Aquaman RoKT: Deadshot HG/General Zod
Ares: Wonder Girl/Solomon Grundy
Arkkis: SSS Lex
Arsenal: Scarecrow/Batgirl
Artemis: SSS Lex
Atrocitus: Wonder Girl/Solomon Grundy
Bane: SSS Lex
Batgirl: All Evaders
Batman Beyond: Batgirl
Batman CC: Nightwing
Batman TDK: Saint Walker
Batman WGD: Wonder Woman POT
Batwoman: Deadshot HG (For her nuke)
Beast Boy: SSS Lex
Big Barda: SSS Lex
Bizzaro: Anyone who can give Bizzaro Debuffs
Black Adam: Deadshot HG
Black Canary: Cassandra Cain/Huntress
Black Lightning: SSS Lex (You will need a buff heavy character but he benefits from Lex's Overheal)
Black Manta: Siren
Black Mask: John Constantine
Blue Beetle: Deadshot HG/General Zod
Booster Gold: Red Robin/Batman WGD
Brainiac: Hawkgirl
Captain Atom: Man-Bat
Cassandra Cain: Batgirl
Catwoman: Nightwing
Cheetah: Black Manta/Siren
Chemo: Mirror MasteHeat Wave
Circe: Atrocitus
Clayface: Anyone who benefits from Invisibility
Conner Kent: Wonder Girl
Cyborg: SSS Lex
Cyborg Superman: Hal Jordan
Deadshot HG: Black Adam
Deadshot SS: Black Manta
Deathstroke: Black Mask
Dr Poison: All Bleeders
Donna Troy: Martian Manhunter
Doomsday: SSS Lex
Dr Fate: Supergirl
Eclipso: Batgirl
Enchantress: Anyone who benefits from being Overhealed
Etrigan: SSS Lex
Firestorm: SSS Lex
Flash: SSS Lex
Giganta: SSS Lex
Green Arrow Castaway: SSS Lex
Green Arrow EA: High-Crit Chance characters
Gorilla Grodd: Killer Frost
Guy Gardner: Atrocitus
Hal Jordan: Saint Walker
Harley Quinn MJ: Batgirl
Harley Quinn QV: Deadshot HG
Hawkgirl: Killer Frost
Hawkman: Hawkgirl
Heatwave: Black Manta/Siren
Hippolyta: SSS Lex
Huntress: Batgirl/Black Canary
Jay Garrick: SSS Lex
Jessica Cruz: Saint Walker
John Constantine: Black Mask
John Stewart: Saint Walker
Joker DG: Amyone with a High Crit Chance
Joker CPoC: Black Manta/Red Hood
Katana: Big Barda (For Stamina Ups)
Kid Flash: Ocean MasteWally West
Killer Croc: All Anti Taunters
Killer Frost: Hawkgirl
Kilowog: Superman
Larfleeze: Etrigan
Lex Luthor AW: Saint Walker
Lex Luthor SSS: All Buff heavy characters
Lobo: Black Mask
Livewire: Batgirl
Man-Bat: Captain Atom
Martian Manhunter: Donna Troy
Mary Shazam: SSS Lex
Medphyll: Jessica Cruz
Mera: SSS Lex
Metallo: Star Sapphire
Mirror Master: The RiddleChemo
Mr Freeze: Mirror Master
Mister Miracle: Big Barda
Nightwing: Robin/Batman CC
Ocean Master: Ra's Al Ghul/Ravager
Owlman: Steppenwolf
Parallax: SSS Lex/Saint Walker
Parasite: Saint Walker (For Stats Boost)
Penguin: Superman
Poison Ivy: Anyone who benefits from Taunting
Power Girl: SSS Lex
Ra's Al Ghul: Ocean Master (Silence)
Ravager: Ocean Master
Raven: Supergirl (Anti-Crit team)
Riddler: Mirror Master
Red Hood: Black Manta/Siren
Reverse Flash: Wally West/SSS Lex
Red Robin: Nightwing/Robin
Robin: Nightwing
Saint Walker: All Green Lanterns
Scarecrow: Batgirl
Shazam: Superman
Shazam Jr: YL Sinestro (For Affinity Resistance Downs)
Silver Banshee: Anyone who can Bleed and Purge Buffs
Sinestro WL: Black Mask
Sinestro YL: Parallax
Siren: Black Manta
Solomon Grundy: Atrocitus
Spectre: Saint Walker (For Stats Boost)
Starfire: SSS Lex
Stargirl: Supergirl (Anti-Crit Team)
Star Sapphire: SSS Lex
Steppenwolf: Owlman
S.T.R.I.P.E: SSS Lex (But pair him with a Buff character)
Superboy: Anyone who can give him True Sight
Supergirl: Raven/Dr Fate
Superman: Shazam
Swamp Thing: SSS Lex
Talia Al Ghul: Batgirl/Siren
Terra: Steppenwolf
Two-Face: Crit Heavy characters
Ultraman: All Villains
Vixen: Depends on which abilities you often use
Wally West: SSS Lex
Wonder Girl: Donna Troy
Wonder Woman CoTA: Counterattack characters
Wonder Woman DoJ: All Glass Cannons
Wonder Woman PoT: RavageOcean Master (For the Silence)
Zatanna: Saint Walker
Zod: All Kryptonians
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